D.O.C. - easter eggs and blog
D.O.C. huh, I got an acronym for ya, how about WTH. I mean, what the? Season 2 finale proved the Island was real, and then now it seems like the purgatory theory has just been debunked so much its finally come full-circle! Or did the Others fake another plane crash (unlikely), did the government cover up the disappearance and say "we found the plane" to make the families and press shut up (more likely, but wishful thinking), or are they all just in a wacky 3rd dimension (I pray not, but then again, this Season....)
Sorry about that, but had to first and foremost address that ending. Anyway, hit the easter eggs before moving to the blog. First off, I think a main one the net guys have been after is that Mikhail says Naomi said "thank you". In fact, there's evidence from Portuguese speaking fans that she actually said "I'm not alone". Bit of a lame easter egg though, the second she gets back she can tell em all in English. Next, there's a tattoo of interest on the girl's shoulder. Looks like squares connected by a line? I haven't found anything yet on that, but could be some kind of ancient style (the girl seems pretty cultured, what with the whole being a polyglot and all). Maybe its some kind of pigpen cipher, King Wen sequence or something (there seemed to be some dots/holes on a couple of the squares, consistent with the encryption styles). Next was the Korean writing under the Paik logo, which unfortunately I haven't been able to find any translation of. Probably "automotive" or "Heavy Industries" (seems pretty obvious now its the same as the Paik company mentioned in the Lost Experience). Again, Korean speakers, we need you. Finally, I also noted Mr. Paik's code for the safe. It was 7347__, could be 734724, as in 6803 x 108? Or maybe its just not an easter egg at all....
Now blogging, I'm really just gonna focus on the two main issues - Sun's pregnancy, and Mikhail's reappearance (I don't wanna further speculate about how they're all in purgatory cause it worries me slightly that Lost might just cop out and pull a Dallas on us). Sun's pregnancy - so the conception thing is the key, meaning Juliet's serum was a complete rouse and to do with the implant, good to get that clarified. I find it interesting that the Island is quite gender biased so it would seem, it'll 5 times your sperm count but won't let anything become of it child wise, kind of ironic. I wonder though, does it affect just the humans? Is it something to do with the fact they came to the Island? So like if Alex got pregnant she'd be OK cause she's always been there? Who knows right now, but I think its very intriguing the fact we're getting more to what the Island can do, like heal people fast (by Mikhail's admission).
Speaking of Mikhail, I dunno how or why, but I'm actually quite glad he's alive. He was the only one who actually gave us some friggin answers! Thank god we'll see him again and he can mouth off further. No wonder Ben dumped him in the Flame station, he's a threat to the Other air of mystique. But how did he survive? And why did he run toward the flare presumably when Hurley fired it? Who was he expecting, the coast guard? Would he not be with his team of Others, did Ben order him to investigate the flare? Has he now gone rogue pirate (I'm soo gonna get some angry emails for saying that...)? And what about the satellite phone, I'm guessing he thought he could fix it and communicate - he seems to like his communication job.
Apologies for the incoherence this week folks, I guess it pretty much sums up the episode. And I didn't even mention Sun's lovely flashback - brilliant continuity that Jin worked for Mr. Paik because of her. Have we seen Jin's mother before though? She seemed quite familiar. But why did she want dollars and not Won? I suspect a blooper.
Lastly, the Staff, ah nice reliable DHARMA, the science part, thank god for some realist sanity. I was so hoping for a Staff Orientation film, but the secret room will do for now I guess. Good to clear up that Claire wasn't hallucinating in Maternity Leave. That tape recorder though - why didn't Juliet take her sample of Kate when they drugged her to go to Hydra Island?!?! And what sort of sample is she taking? To see if they are somehow able to have children even on-Island?
I look forward to next week with the vain hope that Naomi might actually explain something. Maybe we'll even one day see her flashback? Is she this gay character the writers have said would appear (rather than one of the existing Losties dropping a bombshell). Definitely an episode full of question marks, and judging by the fact Lostpedia Forum and Chat have been showing record breaking activity these last couple of days, I'm not the only one who thinks so.
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These are my thoughts:
1. The reason that Mikhail arrived so quickly (after the flare) is because the Others were expecting Naomi to land. She was supposed to fire off the flare to indicate that she’d arrived, but Hurley accidentally fired it instead. That’s why Mikhail looked so surprised when he found our four Losties standing over Naomi.
2. Did Naomi really jump out of a helicopter? My theory is that, yes, she jumped from an aircraft of some sort, but the whole “helicopter mechanical-failure and big-splash-in-the ocean” is another long con by the Others.
3. The Others are in cahoots with Mr. Widmore, their real-world-contact, to eliminate Desmond, but they don’t know that Des is receiving psychic flashes about the future. Naomi was sent to the island to kill Desmond, not rescue him!
4. Brother Campbell and Ms. Hawking are on the side of whoever is trying to keep Desmond on track with his destiny. The flashes started after he’d been zapped back in time, met Ms. Hawking, and went back again to the Island.
5. Naomi is lying through her teeth about Flight 815 being found! The Island is not a form of hell or purgatory, and she’s going to try to kill Desmond.
6. If Naomi said, “I am not alone,” in Portugese, then it’s very possible that her companions made their jumps safely, and are lurking nearby observing everything. Since Mikhail seemed to have understood what Naomi said (and lied that she said, “Thank you.”), then he would know that she was not alone. If Desmond had not released Mikhail, would these companions have come to his rescue?
7. Since Mikhail is still alive, does that mean that Bea Klugh is too, despite being shot? Is Death not permanent on this Island for certain people?
Hi, I'm not a big blogger or chatter or very technologically savvy at all, but I have 2 additions that I would like to add to Lost-pedia and I can't figure out how to do it. It doesn't really matter to me--I just really like to read the site and think that all of the connections made are so comprehensive. Anyhow, I would like to give you these connections and if you think they are relevant, please make the changes. 1.) On the "Jacob" page, there is a line at the bottom that says Jacob in the bible was the first to call God a shepherd. There are two major connections to make: Jack's last name is Shepherd and in the episode Catch-22, Ruth, Desmond's ex-fiance, says to Desmond, "It's a bloody good thing that a shepherd didn't help you up, otherwise you'd be off with the sheep." Interesting, too, that Jack is kind of a "shepherd" or leader. Second addition: this is also to the Jacob page. There is mention about Jacob being very fertile and having 12 sons. In the recent episode, D.O.C., Juliette says to Sun that the men on the island are 5 times more fertile than normal.
Did you ever notice that all the fathers are not present or bad in some way? What's with the fathers on Lost? Sorry for the long post.
I just posted and I wanted to say that you don't have to publish my post--just want someone to edit Jacob page. Sorry and thanks.
Juliet didn't take a sample from Kate on Hydra Island because after Kate got pregnant by Sawyer, things got hairy with the surgery and Jack trying to get them out of there. Yes, Kate is pregnant (I think anyways). Think about it, no contraceptive methods on an island where the men are 5x more fertile. Juliette probably wants to see if Kate is pregnant--sample of urine or blood probably. Both will be hard to get. Juliet could have also gotten them when she was not gassed and Kate was. Also, Charlie has to die. He is the only person trying to be a good father in the whole damn series--there are no fathers and the ones who are seen are not good. What is the connection to Desmond though?
Has everybody missed the "Kate, You're not my type" line?
Tom is obviously the gay character. I mean is there any other way that Kate wouldn't be anyone's type? :D
Yes, we've endlessly discussed Tom's comment about Kate not being his type, but how does this make him gay?
Maybe Tom is into women like the much-hated Bai Ling! Or Ms. Klugh! LOL!
By the way, Anonymous, you wrote an excellent post re: the Biblical Jacob. It was well researched and I hope they put it on the 'Jacob' page.
On that same topic, you're right...Jacob was very fertile when it came to the wife that he was tricked into marrying: Leah. However, when it came to his beloved wife, Rachel, she appeared to be barren, much to Jacob's endless grief.
It wasn't until Leah had borne TEN boys that Rachel finally got pregnant and bore Jacob two sons: Joseph and Benjamin. In fact, having Benjamin cost Rachel her life.
By the way, the Old Testament typically only mentions the sons that are born. I read somewhere once that these twelve sons of Jacob also had many sisters. !!!
P.S. I hope that I haven't repeated something that's already been posted elsewhere.
Continuing on with the Jacob theory, which we know will become central in the next few episodes. Leah who was disguised as Rachel (sound much like Juliet disguised/resembling Sarah [Jacks ex]) also bore Jacob a daughter, her name Dinah. In the biblical story, Dinah falls for an eygptian Prince and is seen as a Betrayer to her 12 brothers (the sons of Jacob). The Prince is willing to do what Jacob asks in order to have Dinah has his wife. Unfortunately, Her 12 brothers go into Egypt and murder all the males, leaving her with her son, the heir to Egypt.
I see many comparisons with this and the Jacob theme. Its so exciting to see what will come
Sorry if I seem to be a bit lost here, but wasn't Ben born in the island? how come? Do you think he had been conceived before?
friday's_child: BRILLIANT analysis in your first post there. I think everything you just said is completely true!
As for Mikhail being alive, we have no idea that that's really him and we also have no idea if Bea Klugh is really dead. Granted those are pretty weak theories with not much evidence to back it up but look at how many times a character has seen someone who we know was dead: Christian Shephard, Boone, Yemi. What's to say it isn't happening again?
Ignacio: Ben didn't say he was born on the island, he said he had been there his entire life. While the difference is slight, it still exists. If he had said he was born on the island that means he was born on the island. But if he's lived on the island his entire life it might mean he was moved to the island at such a young age that he remembers nothing different.
I think that's just the case simply because of his choice of words.
As for him lying about it, Ben, for the most part, has proven to be trustworthy about what he's said. He gave Jack his full name. He promised Jack that he could leave the island if he helped Ben (which he did, but unfortunately [or fortunately depending on who you ask] the submarine was blown up).
While there are a few incidents of him lying here and there I think we can trust him until a scene proves otherwise.
Colin, you are right on point with your comment about us not knowing if that's really Mikhail or not.
I had actually forgotten about Yemi's appearance to Eko, and how he turned out to be the smoke monster. Thanks for reminding me about that!
Is it a probable scenario that the 'Mikhail' that we're seeing is actually the smoke monster in disguise?
Also, I wanted to ask Anonymous a question regarding your most recent post. You stated that Jacob's twelve sons, "...go into Egypt and murder all the males."
What on earth are you talking about? Could you document your statements, please? I've never heard of such of thing.
I also need to correct one of my own statements about Leah, Jacob's first wife. She was only the mother of six of Jacob's sons. The other four sons were borne by Jacob's slave concubines. And of course, we know that Rachel had the final two sons, Joseph & Benjamin.
Cuse already confirmed that neither Paulo nor Boone were gay. It was just a passing comment by a bratty sister.
about charachters not staying dead, do we remember from the first season when jack found his father's casket and it was busted out of and there was no corpse.
Friday: I think that's exactly the case. The real Mikhail died. The Monster gained the ability to turn into Mikhail by taking Mikhail's body. The only problem with that is that Mikhail died behind the fence. Again, we don't know which side of the fence he died on but I don't think that's relevant. We have no idea how the fence is actually structured. Whether it keeps the Monster in or keeps the Monster out or whether it keeps it out of certain sections. Without a definitive map we have no idea.
Anonymous: Unless revived by the island somehow, Christian is dead. My theory is the Monster took the body of Christian and can now manifest himself as Christian. (or anybody who he/she/it takes the body of, Yemi [who's body, might I add, is missing], Mikhail possibly, Christian and possibly Walt even [as evidenced by Walt appearing to both Sayid and Shannon while he was supposedly in captivity]
Mikael couldn't have been the monster, imo. He interacted with them physically, especially Jin. Did the emergency procedure on Naomi. Lifted the walkie talkie.
When Yemi appeared in front of Ecko I don't think they ever touched. He was as much a hollogram as anything.
Somehow Patchy survived his encounter with the invisible fencing. I don't think they showed Kate, Sayid, or John checking for his vital signs or anything. Didn't they just glance at him and leave ?
I dont think the new arrival is here to kill Desmond, why go to all that effort to kill him after 3 years of being missing, that just doesnt make sense when Mr Widmore could have had him bumped off at any time.
IMO Penny has sent Naomi to find him, using her fathers company contacts like the 2 dudes in the arctic (end of S2) with their tracking station.
Like the old TV series Thunderbirds, I dont think Widmore, Paik or any contractor knew what they were putting their companies towards, they only knew the parts they supplied but not what or where the final product was. All they do know is that they are being paid by The Hanso Foundation a considerable amount of cash to keep schtum about what they are transporting, no questions asked.
Maybe Flight 815 was covered up, Naomi was after Desmond, and if she was in "cahoots" with the others, she would have known that the Losties were the passengers, and not said about the plane being found. The question is, the plane might have been found, but did they find the bodies?
I think Mikhail is out on his own, against Ben and the others unless it suits him. Why send a "dead man" who more or less stumbled upon them rather than a more stealthy approach? I think he is genuinely left behind, and upon finding the barracks empty went in search of either the losties or where the others were.
Colin,
Even though we have no real proof about Mikhail being Smokey in disguise, it's really interesting speculating down this line of thought. And until we get more info, I'm going to pretend that it's so.
1. Assuming that Mikhail was killed by the fence, and Smokey came along and took possession of his body (a la Stephen King's book "Desperation"), would the body start showing signs of decay? This is too gruesome too consider.
2. Or does Smokey absorb the body/personality in some way and make it part of its own persona for use when needed? This scenario reminds me of L. Frank Baum's novel "The Wizard of Oz". One of the characters, Ozma of Oz, had special shelves in her enormous dressing room, and upon these shelves were a wide selection of heads. Depending on her mood, she'd choose which head she wanted to wear that day. Does Smokey have a selection of "heads"?
3. In the past, Smokey has seemed to manifest directly out of the memories and emotions of the person that he's confronting. I.e., Eko/Yemi, Jack/Christian, Shannon/Walt, Kate/Black Horse, Hurley/Dave, and so on. In this case, however, none of the four Losties had ever met Mikhail, so there're no memories to play off of.
There's one other thing that's been bugging me since a previous season. When Charlie was hung by the neck by Ethan Rom, and Jack & Kate cut him down, I was so certain that Charlie was dead! Maybe he did die, and it's been Smokey walking around as Charlie all this time! Far-fetched, I know...but maybe that's why the Island (or whoever) is now trying to correct that imbalance, and Desmond is interfering by continuing to save Charlie/Smokey.
Ok, ok, I've gone pretty far afield, I know, but what fun!! LOL!
Oh, and one other thing:
Anonymous said...
"When Yemi appeared in front of Ecko I don't think they ever touched. He was as much a hollogram as anything."
Not to be contentious, Anonymous, but they did indeed touch!! Don't you remember how Yemi turned into a giant Smoke fist, grabbed Eko and slammed him into the trees and onto the ground, killing him?!
I call that "touching"! LOL!
Why dollars instead of won? 1 Dollar = about 930 Won ;)
Bigger question is why Sun's father had so many US dollars!
Hello. I just wanted to correct something in the original post about "continuity". Jin did not work for Mr. Paik because of Sun, but his job was transformed into Paik's personal assistant after this. Therefore, is was Sun's fault that Jin became what he is today.
As for dollars, in countries with the currency other than USD and EUR, blackmailers seem to demand for either. Usually due to the instability of their national currency. In some Eastern European countries people can estimate the value in dollars, but fail to do that in their home currency if the number is large. Also, people prefer to keep their savings in USD and EUR, rather than in home currency and in bank considering inflation and general economical and financial instability of their homecountry. I've no idea what the situation is in Korea, it's just my take on why dollars. Let's say, if I were to blackmail someone, I'd go with EUR, though it's not my currency at all. Korea is closer to the US than to Europe and maybe it was a stable currency back then. I'm closer to Europe and EUR is more stable here.
Hold on... I am pretty sure that Ben said he was the only person who was BORN on the island and he's been there his whole life.
he said something along the lines of "I was born on this island, not many of my people can say that."
Friday's Child:
1. I don't think that there's any particular reason to assume that Mikhail's body doesn't decay. It might simply be that his body does but the Monster just needs his body to look like him.
2. I think this is very likely. Taking the body and having a collection to call upon whenever needed.
3. Good point. IF the Monster calls upon the memories then Mikhail cannot be Smokey (I like that name) unless someone like Rosueau was there OR Naomi knew Mikhail.
Also, as I stated before, Ben was lying about being on the island is whole life. Now we know he is after "Man Behind the Curtain".
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