Indiana Jones
Let's address one of the main questions from 5x02. Who the heck is Jones working for, and when the heck are we? Fitting into that question is the flaming arrows brigade (who are either pure savage killers, or just don't like it when you steal their boar...).
So who does Jones belong to? Well an initial reaction would be DHARMA, and indeed he is wearing similar style attire. However, he has no DHARMA insignia or admittedly any kind of 1970's hippy "save the world" demeanor. More like a "cut off a hand, ask questions later" mentality. Maybe he'll have a run-in with Pierre Chang one day. Or lest we forget, our screen-time undervalued friend Montand.
So if Jones isn't DHARMA, who is he? He refers to the place as "our island". He has a British accent. He's actually wearing a mid-20th Century military uniform with nametag. His gun is an M1 Garand (issued to US troops circa 1936-1963). The gun thing is slightly irrelevant though I'll wager - some of those guns the Others had belong in museums.
What was striking for me though was the accent. Charles Widmore said to Ben that the Island was "his" - and so there could be an implication about 'what came before DHARMA' - who arrived in the 70's. Add to this idea those crazy flame arrow throwing mysteries, who could be the Others, but then again don't really seem to be following the same style. It all implies we're in a time older... and though not by much older - perhaps a time when the Widmore name DID have some kind of stake in the place? So, what do you think - is Jones DHARMA? Are we in a time older than DHARMA?
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Before I knew what the name-tag said and all I had to go on was an accent, haircut and "our" island. I immediately thought Widmore, now that would be too easy, but I would be shocked if Widmore doesn't tie in here.
My guess is they're WWII soldiers - kind of based on the style of uniforms and the fact that the island is in the South Pacific. May be way off, but that's what my gut tells me.
Remember the guy that gave Hurley the numbers? He was stationed near the island, or on the island, or something, in WWII? I can't remember all the details, but maybe they have something to do with him!
The accent sounded Australian to me, but the WWII idea can still be on target, although the uniforms looked more contemporary to the 60 and 70... and yes, it seems likely it's connected to Widmore.
What I dont understand at all is how Faraday says "if you didnt meet then you cant meet!" I understand how he is able to meet Des (for the most part) but then how can Sawyer and the rest of the crew "meet" and tangle with these weird others. If it is in the past as we assume, then they shouldn't be able to meet them, since they didn't meet, right? And how can Faraday "meet" all the people he does at the beginning?
Kevin - I think actually they can do this, as you're assuming it didn't happen in the past. If you're here now and then go back in time and tell Hitler he's an evil man - you can do it as there is no evidence to the contrary - it might have happened in your idea of "past". You can go back in time and interact with people as long as you don't do something that then changes your present. Just because you went back and spoke to Hitler doesn't mean you changed your past - and for all you know - it happened "the first time" in the past.
I think Faraday saw in his book the line "Desmond will be my constant" or something - and possibly from that, he realised that it's possible he met Desmond during that time, and so therefore he can speak to him.
I never got time travel, as to interact with someone of the past is only possible if it did already happen - but that implies there was a "first time" you did it - but of course there is no such thing. It's a paradox.
It's all about destiny man!
Also, Kevin. You said "how can Faraday meet all the people he does at the beginning?"
If you're referring to the scene at the beginning of the first episode, where he is down in the cave: I think it was implied that wasn't time hopping then. He actually WAS a member of DHARMA and worked on the Island those many years ago. I feel that whatever happens to him there, is the reason he goes into physics and ends up teaching at Oxford.
I don't think that Daniel worked for DHARMA years ago, he time jumped back (that is how he tells Chang about what is going to happen in the DHARMA video). Daniel is the same age, obviously he time jumped and is possibly trying to find out "when" it is so that he can use his gold instrument to find out what coordinates can get them safely off the island before they all die.
I also think that the reason Daniel goes into physics is because his mother is into physics etc. When Daniel tells Desmond to go and find his mother in Oxford, England I bet it will be Ms. Hawkings.
Re: Desmond and Sawyer meeting.
When They 'first meet' - Desmond does not recognize Sawyer or have any prior knowledge of him. If Sawyer meets Desmond in the past, then he would have recognized him or had a feeling he was familiar when they met in the future.
Faraday says Desmond is miraculously special (and that may play into this) - and they have all ready met several times, so there would be no paradox created by meeting again at the hatch.
My theory - when they go into the past, they can meet people, but not people they will met for the first time in the future. Unless either they or the ones they are meeting are 'special' in some way.
I think the flaming arrow attack happened in the same time frame as the Jones incident--I don't see a reason to assume some "flash" happened "off stage" in between the two incidents. So, I doubt that we are dealing with another group of attackers. They are either Dharma or the Hostiles, IMO. I have been assuming that Jones is with Dharma.
Another speculation that ties in with that is that this time frame may be coincident with a war between Dharma and the Hostiles. I have been expecting to see this war in full swing to provide context for the annihilation of the Dharma group. I think that happened for reasons we have not been told yet. Instead of being simply horrific murder, it might have been self-preservation.
Also, I have been wondering whether Widmore created the Dharma Initiative, and if so, the idea that they are all nice, peaceful hippy types does not work.
Sorry if any of this is rehashing ideas from other blog comments. I'm new at this and haven't read the older blogs.
This season is going to be a fun ride!
um clearly its charlotte's father
i think the army guys came from the Galaga submarine which looked like it was from the 1940-1960 era and the uniforms looked like they were from around that time as well. the sub most likely was beached when the island moved and stranded the military men until someone could come along and repair it (DI or the Others?)
I think that it is possible that the attackers from either the flaming arrows or the shooters in the boat could possibly be the "pirates?" from the Black Rock ship. They crashed there long before the DHARMA and would be hostile. I actually think they could be the pioneers to the Island and that we will see them soon!
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