5x10 "He's Our You" Review
"He's Our You" is another incredible episode in Lost's fifth season. This episode starts with a classic Lost technique that hasn't been used in a while: Flashbacks. We flashback to the days of young Sayid, in Tikrit Iraq. Sayid's father is forcing his brother to kill a chicken, to prove that he is a man and no longer a child; Sayid intervenes and kills the chicken, so his father won't get mad at his brother. What I love about this scene is the allusion to Eko's story. As seen in "The 23rd Psalm", when Eko was a kid, he killed a man so that Yemi would not be killed. Furthermore, the flashbacks reveal why Sayid boared Flight 316 with Ilana. Ilana was hired by the family of Mr. Avellino, who was killed by Sayid in "The Economist" because of his connection to Widmore. I am glad to see more flashbacks - they have been absent from the storyline for quite some time now. I think it's always good to have a mix of flashbacks, flashforwards, and on-Island/off-Island events.
Back on the Island, we see young Ben bring Sayid a sandwich. We know that Ben is eager to learn more about the Hostiles after his encounter with Richard Alpert in the jungle (seen in "The Man Behind the Curtain"). Ben tells Sayid that he has been very patient - and that if heis patient, Ben can help him escape. Radzinsky and Horace come to question Sayid, but he gives them no answers.
When Ben returns to give Sayid a sandwich, he is met by his father Roger Work Man, who throws the sandwich to the ground and demands that Ben returns home. This scene gives us a better look at Ben's childhood, and the events that would eventually cause him to murder the DHARMA members, including his own father.
Horace suggests to LaFleur that they bring Sayid to Oldham (a mysterious interrogator who lives in the jungle). When they bring Sayid to this man, Sawyer tells him that "he's our you" (meaning that Oldham is the 'torturer' for the DHARMA Initiative). Oldham provides Sayid with a truth serum, and it works. Sayid almost tells them about "Sawyer", but is interrupted by the ever-annoying Stu, who is most interested in Sayid's knowledge of the Swan station. Sayid pours out everything he knows - crashing in Flight 316, in Flight 815, and his knowledge that the Purge will eventually kill them all.
Our annoyance of Radzinsky only worsens when the DHARMA members have a meeting to decide what to do with Sayid. The vote goes in favor of Radzinsky's proposition, and LaFleur is forced to go along with them. Sawyer goes to Sayid's cell, giving him a chance to hit him and run. Sayid refuses, claiming that he knows what his 'purpose' of being on the Island is.
Back at the Barracks, an arsonist sets fire to a DHARMA van, crashing it into one of the houses. We later see that young Ben uses this diversion to free Sayid from his cell. As Sayid and Ben run from the Barracks, they encounter Jin. Sayid knocks Jin out, and, in one of Lost's most shocking moments ever, shoots young Ben.
This episode ends with one of the most shocking cliffhangers in Lost history. Could young Ben really be dead? It would defy Faraday's theory of 'whatever happened, happened'. I personally see no reason to believe that Ben is actually dead. It would be difficult for a kid to survive a gunshot at that range, but I'm sure there could be ways for him to survive. Perhaps Jack will have to use his super-surgeon skills to rehabilitate young Ben; but would Jack really do surgery on Ben for the second time?
"He's Our You" has tremendous character development. At lunchtime, we see that Jack has no problem sinking into the background, as opposed to his previous on-Island life as leader of the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Hurley is fitting in just fine as a DHARMA chef. Kate seems to be having trouble accepting that Juliet is with Sawyer. I hope that they put an end to this love quadrangle soon; Jack should be with Kate, and Juliet should be with Sawyer. Kate has done too much flip-flopping, if you ask me.
Another highlight of this episode is seeing more insight into Ben's childhood. His abusive father gives Ben more motivation to lead the Purge, and eventually become the leader of the Hostiles. Ben has been desperate to escape from his life at Dharmaville, and his father has been no help to him. I usually don't feel sympathy for Ben, but I felt differently this episode. He finally thinks that he can escape from his life, and the one person he trusts, Sayid, shoots him. When I started thinking about this, it really is a complicated tale of character development: Sayid's interactions with old Ben in the future caused him to shoot young Ben in the past, which was really his future.
This episode also shows us that Sawyer loves his life as DHARMA Head of Security. He has really become loyal to DHARMA after living with them for three years. I'm glad that he at least gave Sayid the chance to escape, because I wasn't happy after he succombed to Radzinsky's proposition.
Another interesting point in this episode was when Radzinsky threatened to call Ann Arbor. We know that the DeGroots derive from here - will we finally get to see the mysterious Gerald and Karen, who so far have only appeared briefly in the Swan orientation and the Room 23 video? I sure hope so...
Overall this episode is a fantastic addition to Season 5, and possibly the best episode this season.
43 comments:
Calling Ann Arbor in the late 70's - there can only be one leader for this whole organization: Bo.
Yes it was great and cleared some issues up for all of us.
I do wonder if James is just spouting the company line to get along til Locke comes back to rescue him. Of course James has said many times that he really has nothing to go back to in the future. Its hard to imagine our James knuckling under so easy since he is the rebel in the group.
And yes he does leave or we wouldn't have met him in 2004 after the crash.
Ben will of course not die. I doubt Jack saves him, but the Island does. Locke said that the Island was a place where miracles happen and people die all the time but show up in various episodes. It brought Locke back to some form of life.
Kate has never been a favorite of mine. She dangles two men and just can't make up her mind. Her character is really irritating and wishy washy to me and no doubt the writers have worked her into that way.
Which makes me wonder just what will become of Sayid. He can do the James thing and shock Richard with his future knowledge of the Island. I suspect that is what he will do and Richard will love having another commando to work with. Sayid really has no loyalty to anyone at this point does he? He is going to work out his destiny.
I think it was the worst episode this season. I think they've been giving so much insight to what happened, that they should continue with that route. I think the flashbacks had its place with previous seasons, but this season should be in the "present" and "future". Other than the ending, it had a lot to be desired
If calling Bo, the island is headed for nothing but failure (Go Bucks!)
Seriously though...another great episode. Tied up some loose ends about Sayid getting back to the island and some tense moments with him spilling the beans about Sawyer and what is supposed to happen in the future. Did anyone else notice Sayid go dark after taking whatever Oldham gave him?
This episode almost starts things all over...if Ben dies, what happens in the future? Maybe this explains why the camp looked different at the end of the last episode, no purge?
When is Desmond going to come back into the picture?
I really don't know what to say about this episode. Yes, we see more about Ben's childhood, but we already knew that his father's abusive nature ultimately caused him to participate in the purge. Similarly, we already knew that Sawyer is enjoying his life as LaFleur and is not interested in leaving.
To me, the only real development on the show was the continuation of the awkward love quadrangle,DI storyline and the story of Sayid. Why did they show Sayid as a young boy killing a chicken for his brother? Are TPTB insinuating that it has always been in his nature to be guilted into killing when he believes it's for a greater cause? Did we really need that scene to solidify that aspect of Sayid's character? We have seen him kill and torture many, and I believe that we can conclude that for ourselves. (Furthermore, it makes no effort to enhance his and Ben's relationship, which seems to be the bottom line at the end of the episode.)I would rather the time be spent on the development of other show mythology or character development that still remains a mystery.
I do agree with you that the love quadrangle has to stop. This is getting ridiculous. If I have to see Kate pacing around, flashing her sad eyes and pouting in one more episode I might just have to take a break from watching the show. She had sex with Jack the night before they got back to the island. Why should we feel sorry for her? It's completely unnecessary to perpetuate the love stories at this point in the storyline. Don't we have bigger and more important things to take care of?
Finally, I feel that this episode is about Sayid's vengeance toward Ben. He blames Ben for all his troubles: the death of his wife (yet he still slips into a few women's beds after he is so "heartbroken"),his killing spree in her honor, not being able to be a nice guy, and whatever else he blames on Ben. He is so convinced that Ben is the root of all his troubles, that he believes that he can shoot Lil' Ben to erase all of his wrongful deeds. How disillusioned is Sayid? He seems completely disconnected from reality now. It will be interesting to see the repercussions of his actions, but I have a feeling it won't be tied up for a while because they need to give Kate a centric episode so that we can tie up her loose ends so she can stop pouting on the porch.
Joyce... "And yes he does leave or we wouldn't have met him in 2004 after the crash."
This doesn't make sense to me.
I think the murder of a Dharma child is exactly the kind of thing they were afraid of when deciding to kill Sayid. There we all out civil war because of it if he lives or dies.
We haven't seen Widmore, Penny or Dez since Des bailed on the return to the island...denying Faraday's plan to get some assistance per his via Des request. They dropped out of the picture just after Ben returned covered in blood.
Well let's not lose heart at this stage of the series. I am beginning to wish the smoke monster had ate Kate and Claire had stayed around to leave with Aaron like Desmond saw in his vision. Perhaps Kate wasn't supposed to get on the chopper and she jumped in to save her own silly ass. Now everything has to be fixed. Which makes me think that Desmond is coming back to the Island to witness her getting in a helicopter with the baby.
Maybe some things can be corrected in time such as this. Because of Desmond seeing this (if he wasn't lying to soothe Charlie) perhaps the 06 returning is really to set things back on course concluding with a great battle to see who really belongs on the Island.
Speaking of Kate jumping on the chopper instead of Claire..do you suppose Claire visited her again and that is what scared her into getting on 316?
Daniel and Mrs Hawking (speaking to Des in the past) kept saying that time would correct itself one way or the other.
Interesting idea for us...none of the 06 were even born before 1977 were they? They can't meet themselves on the Island if they haven't been born yet. Locke and Ben were alive by the Dhrama times and maybe that's why they can't leave Hydra just yet and not because they turned the DW. Charlotte is there as a child because she died before the DI arrived in one of the Flashes. Maybe that is why her body didn't travel in the last flash with the others.
actually, the future of young ben can be changed, and if he is dead, it has been changed... proof of this is that the future of the hostiles that were killed by sawyer and juliet, as well as the future of their loved ones, has been changed. just because they were redshirts doesnt mean they were not important to future events.
what already happened during the 3+ years since sayid and the other losties were stranded on the island has already happened in their experience of a timeline only they have experienced. in other words, those events cannot be changed for their own experience of the past. however, the future 2004-2008 experience of a younger sayid, who probably still lives in tikrit iraq during 1977, will be much different.
how they will be able to get all of this balanced out with the future of the losties who have lived through everything we have watched so far is probably going to require all of us to suspend a bunch of disbelief and go for a ride.
not sure i want to do that, but i will keep watching anyway...
Even though I liked the episode, I feel disagree with this review's assertion that it was possibly the best episode of the season. And seriously, Jack and Kate being together and Sawyer and Juliet being together? Uh-uh. Only in a world without the epicness that is Sawyer and Kate.
I wonder just when Walt will show up. He was so important to the Others that they stole him, but then they sent him off with his Dad, released Hurley and kept Kate, James and Jack.
So there is something to finish before the 06 can finally leave including Jin I hope. What about the other survivors?
Interesing about Walt and Ben. Walt was so important that he may have been the sole reason to bring down that plane. Everyone else was just extra help. Apparentely Ben was important enough also, since he could see his dead Mom and was spoken to by Richard. Locke keeps being told he is the chosen one, but chosen for what? To make sure Walt didn't starve or get eaten by a bear til they could grab him and set him up as a future leader? Perhaps Walt was sent back to grow into an adult and then he comes back to be the new Leader. Ben was asked to be patient and then when he was grown he was saved from the Purge to be kept as the Leader.
But didn't Walt scare the Others? They wanted to send him away. Locke failed the first test by Richard then refused to go to the science camp when he was a teen. His only usefulness is the fact that he time traveled perhaps and that impressed Richard. I do wonder what those two talked about before the Island moved. And Richard cared enough to save his life when Ethan shot him.
so then the war their referring to must be the 10 year war between woody and Bo. Go Blue!!
I think this helps shape Ben to be the cold person he is, and in part how it was arranged for everyone to end up on the original Oceanic flight. I think Ben survives the shot... As mentioned, Jack (which will make things complicated being he's a janitor...) will save his life. Ben will remember this growing up and when he realizes what happened with time, he will want to bring Jack to the island for his surgery.
Ben recognizes Sayid as a cold killer and that enjoys it. He was shot and nearly killed by Sayid as a child after he helped Sayid escape... I can see why later he used Sayid to kill.
So, I think Daniel is still correct: you cannot change the past. We're simply learning how much the Losties, in the future, travel to the past to put things in motion. It's doom!
I was shocked by the ending but was expecting it, it's just never easy to fathom someone trying to kill a child. It reminds me of the hypotheticals asked: If you ran into Hitler when he was a child, would you kill him to save the lives of others?
But What if you tried to kill Hitler and failed, and that experience is what drove him to be the evil bastard we all know him as. Maybe that's what has fueled Ben all these years to be as cold hearted and ruthless person we know him as.
Also Joyce Some of your thoughts don't make any sense to me-James leaves or we wouldn't meet him after the crash makes no sense that was the past, even if its the future in chronological order it isn't in chronological order of his life....And Desmond to come back to see Claire get on the helicopter? huh?
Any way I thought it was a good episode can't wait to see more.
Plus whatever is in store I believe it will be great, these writers have brought us this far with a great storyline. I'm sure the last 20 or so episodes are going to be great, I believe they know how the want to end it and its just filling in holes to get to the ending.
And if anyone has noticed it's never what you expect.
Something occurred to me while reading another blog. Desmond didn't remember Faraday coming to visit him in the Swan until Faraday actually did so in the past. I wonder if this means that 2007 Ben didn't have any recollection of being shot by Sayid until it happened in 1977?
Jason trying to think through Lost confuses me also.
What I was referring to with Des. In the episode where he kept doing things to keep Charlie alive he told Charlie that he couldn't keep doing stuff to mess with the time line and that it would self correct. Then he told Charlie that he would drown and that he saw him and a flashing light. We know now that Charlie turned off the jamming device and drowned.
Charlie asked him about Claire..if she would get Aaron and herself rescued. Des told him he had seen a vision of Claire and the baby getting on a chopper and leaving the island.
So Desmond could see the future probably because he conscious traveled. If he saw Claire leave then somewhere in time she will leave.
Desmond encountered Ms. Hawking when he was trying to buy Penny a ring and she refused to sell it to him. They went outside and this guy with red shoes on was saved, but she told Des that it didn't matter that "red shoes" was gonna die. Then he was hit by a bus I think.
She told Des that time would course correct itself just like Daniel telling them..what happened happened.
Sorry I can't quote the episode.
Joyce, I do remember that now. Thank you
Just so many things have happened its hard to remember everything.
Once the series is over I plan I watching the whole thing again, imagine how much we have missed and we will be like oh wow now that makes sense
Jason and everyone here. I spend way too much time reviewing stuff and still get confused. I also plan to watch the whole thing over again..probably several times.
The episode was Flashes Before Your Eyes.
During the break between 5 and 6 I will watch them all.
I was expecting Kate to tell Sawyer that she checked on his daughter for him. Isn't that what she and Jack had a fight about---her sneaking off to do that and hiding it from Jack?
@julie - your theory of how these events lead to ben becoming the man we love to hate makes a LOT of sense, but that would mean we are in a loop and i am certain that we have heard in a darlton podcast that the show will not end up in a continuous time loop. that would mean all this happened before and it will happen again(and again)(and again)(and again) and that would be wack!
however, buying into the theory for a moment, i think that ben remembering the dharmaville losties is all the motive he needed for him to do what we have already seen him do to them.
more thoughts about the comments i have read.
- if young ben needs saving, i highly doubt jack will do that a second time.
- the only possibility for young ben is if the island saves him. young ben will definitely remember being shot by sayid; and perhaps older ben will remember it in his own present as well.
- ben was not expecting the losties to be on oceanic 815 so he could not arrange it, or play a part in it.
Well the big question with time travel is.. One timeline or multiple timelines? Are we going with terminator 2 time travel rules , where going into the past and changing things affects the one timeline's future events (ie. killing young ben makes present ben disappear)? Or are there multiple timelines, where as soon as you go back in time you are now in a new timeline/universe where killing young ben, does not take out other timeline present day Ben.. TIMETRAVEL PARADOX Ahhh!
Buenas!
investigando un poco sobre el libro que entrega Little Ben a Sayid en la celda (Una realidad aparte, de Carlos Castaneda) he encontrado el libro entre sus obras, y es bastante esclarecedor:
http://elmistico.com.ar/descarga/castaneda/index.htm
"Una realidad aparte" habla de su experiencia con don Juan Matus, un chamán indio yaqui de México. En resumen este chamán habla de que podemos "ver" realidades distintas si cambiamos nuestro sistema de percepción, es decir, depende de la manera de "ver" de cada uno para vivir una realidad distinta del resto, y esto incluye el tiempo y el espacio. De alguna manera, el tiempo no es una línea para todos, sino que cada uno en sí mismo vive su línea del tiempo... He visto que entre sus obras hay una que se llama... ¡LA RUEDA DEL TIEMPO!
"Para ellos, tanto el tiempo como el espacio, si bien incomprensibles en sus formulaciones, formaban parte integral del hombre.
Aquellos chamanes poseían otra unidad cognitiva, llamada la rueda del tiempo. Su manera de explicar la rueda del tiempo era decir que el tiempo era como un túnel de longitud y anchura infinitas, un túnel con surcos reflectantes. Cada uno de los surcos era infinito, y había un número infinito de ellos. Los seres vivos eran compelidos, por la fuerza de la vida, a fijar sus miradas en uno de los surcos. Mirar sólo uno de los surcos implicaba ser atrapados por él, vivir ese surco.
La meta final de un guerrero es la de enfocar, mediante un acto de profunda disciplina, su atención inquebrantable en la rueda del tiempo con el fin de hacerla girar. Los guerreros que han logrado hacer girar la rueda del tiempo son capaces de mirar en el interior de cualquier otro surco y extraer de él lo que deseen.
Al librarse de la fuerza hechizante que nos obliga a contemplar sólo uno de esos surcos, los guerreros pueden mirar en cualquiera de las dos direcciones: al tiempo cómo se acerca o cómo se aleja de ellos."
OK..I need a life since I am getting ready for work and thought of something I wanted to run past all of you.
What is the deal with this out of date PC's etc? Granted it was DI and we are seeing 70.s era stuff, but why didn't they upgrade down thru the years? Wouldn't modern computers do a much better job on everything?
DI had no shortage of money and the Island has no shortage of power. We haven't seen a true power plant but I am guessing that Jughead+ the energy source on the Island takes care of their needs.
The Others didn't get their chance til 1992 right? There doesn't seem to be any shortage of money in this era either. Putting the ancient PC's aside for the moment..what about the TV screens in the watching station? There is a modern looking smallish sattelite dish at the Flame, so why not upgrade to modern television or monitoring cameras. Why not cell phones?
It took a massive power discharge for Penny's watchers or anybody to pinpoint the island. I doubt a cell tower or modern equipment would make this place visible. I know Jacob doesn't like modern stuff, but he doesn't get out of that cabin anyway.
The only reason i can think of is that when the Purge happened there was no more bringing in of modern equipment since it wouldn't survive the time/space leap (thinking Dr. Change and his no metal warning).
I still think the old sub was a fake out for travel thru time/space. The food drops were somehow timed to catch the Island at certain window periods.
I know this is off topic, but it is driving me nuts and has been for quite a while. I need you guys input here.
Tell me if this has already been said..
Because of young Ben's leadership qualities for the others, I reckon he will 'do a Locke' and the island will heal him so that he can become leader still, just as it did with Locke when he got shot in the Purge hole. What y'all think?
I thought it was a decent episode. Not the best, but it had moments. The flashbacks with Sayid filled in some blanks in his story, but were done a little clumsy. I didn't buy that the young lady from the plane was a bounty hunter, and was able to take Sayid that quickly. He also willingly went with her to the airport, expecting to be taken to her benefactor. What was he thinking? Wouldn't he plan to escape at some point?
It was another standout episode for Sawyer, who has really stepped to the forefront in Season 5. He just needs to broom Kate, and stick with Juliet.
Observations: Where's Faraday? Desmond? I'm sure Jack will be called into action next week. He's been on the sidelines for two weeks, and before that he was a recovering addict following Ben around like a mule. It's time for Jack to get his island mojo back.
The ending was a brilliant cliffhanger, and will go with the best of them, although this episode as a whole could have been done better in spots, IMO.
I don't really think comparing Ben and Hitler is fair... Ben is a fictional character. Yes, I think that if someone had the opportunity to kill Hitler as a child, it would have been the right thing to do- because the Nazi occupation of several European countries and the Holocaust killed upwards of six million people, including entire families and young children. Hitler's dictatorship changed the face of European history, destroying entire cities in bombings, and wiping out huge populations. Ben's character is very evil and manipulative, but I just don't think it's a fair comparison.
I'm waiting to see if Faraday is going to come back, because he holds the knowledge about the rules of time travel. I think it would have been responsible for him to stay behind with the rest of the gang, since they could use someone with a scientific mind. But Faraday is kind of a loner and it's not like he was really part of their group anyway. I'm also wondering if Ben killed Penny like he told Widmore he would... and if that's the case, will Desmond be so distraught that he returns to the island (and will he bring his kid with him?)? Eloise told Desmond in the past that he was meant to be on the island, so I wonder if he is still supposed to be there. And I think the only thing that would drive him to go back is losing Penny. Desmond and Faraday share a lot of similarities in their abilities to tell the future and time-travel (since they were able to do it before anyone else). I hope that they both come back to the show. I don't want anything bad to happen to Desmond's new little family, but I also feel that the Island isn't done with him. And on a side note, what was up with his prediction that Claire was going to get on the helicopter with Aaron? That never happened- and Charlie sacrificed himself for it. I know everyone is waiting for Claire to come back- the psychic in Australia told her Aaron couldn't be raised by another, yet she just abandoned him on a tree stump. Was she possessed?
So many questions...
Reading through all your comments is a bit like watching an ep of the show - answers some questions but raises even more questions! (And that's what we come back for week after week, right?!)...
So some random and unrelated (to each other) questions/ observations from me which I'd love input on:
Re: Jack potentially saving the young shot Ben in 1997. Many have pondered this and some have argued Jack would not save Ben twice. I'm not so sure since his Hippocratic oath seems to be the One Clear Thing Jack sticks to. But moreover what IF next week he was called in to save this young kid in the jungle in an "is anyone here a doctor/ world-class surgeon" kind of a way...only to discover AFTER he's saved his life that he is indeed...BEN! After all, Jack has only been in 1977 a short while and it's possible he hasn't even come across the young Ben yet isn't it? (Or did I miss something?)
Whoever said they didn't buy Sayid being roughed up by the Bounty Hunting chick in heels - BACK AT YA! WHAT was that all about? Unless he actually wanted to be taken in (he does seem to now have that whiff of resignation and gloom about him) you can't tell me Sayid of the "break their necks on the beach using only my feet with my hands tied behind my back" couldn't have taken a girl?!
Totally with you on the lurve rubbish. Let's not waste ANY more time on the boring old Jack/Kate/Juliet/ Sawyer stuff. Snore. Sawyer is cute with Juliet (even if I still can't get the image of her taking a shot at him back in the "Others" days on the chain gang) and Jack and Kate are welcome to each other...
YES where is Des?! I thought the whole purpose of Locke returning to the world was to bring back the entire group. Obviously he wasn't able to do so, but Eloise Hawking seemed to imply that Des was part of that group who needed to return. Is this why things are still going wrong (stuck in previous time period, some like Sun still unable to get back to the other Losties etc) because Des and Aaron are not there also?
In an earlier ep this season we see a resurrected out-of-casket Locke (who has already told his new island mates he was dead and now is not!) standing over the body of Ben - he identifies him and when asked how he know him his reply: "because he's the man who killed me"...was Locke infact only able to rise from the dead because Sayid killed Ben in 1977? In which case was 2007 Ben dead?
Finally - I know that Sawyer/ LaFleur is enjoying his new life in the DI and you can see why. But wasn't it him who wanted Locke to return with the 06 the most? In the first ep of the 1977 LaFleur didn't we see him ask Jin if he'd located "them" yet? So why now is he so reluctant to have them back?
And as for Faraday - I don't think he's gone someplace else, I think he's gone some time else. We know he's all about the time travel and that he best of all understood the islands connection with time and the mechanics of that. That's why we were given the glimpse in the previous season of Faraday working with Pierre Chang et al at what may be the epicenter of time travel (the site of the wheel). Maybe he's gone some time else to try to save everyone else? I got the impression when Sawyer answered the question "where's Faraday" with "he's not here anymore" he knew where or when he was.
Ok that's it for now - thanks for listening!
oki, here's my theorie of Sayid shooting Ben:
When he was on that drug, Sayid told the Dharma's men, that the Swan was for electromagnetism, "until the incident". (Interesting, that he told this story, why not polar bears or the looking glass?).
We know since season 2(?), that there was an incident that caused the numbers to be typed in all 108 minutes, it was even mentioned in the orientation film for the swan. AND one of the Dharmas people says its not yet clear how they'll name it (so most probably they didnt shoot the orientation film yet)so the incident is yet to happen (or at least he doesnt know/tell anything about it)
so maybe we have just seen the incident: sayid kills Ben, because he knows the evil future Ben, but now Ben has no possibility to show sayid how evil he is able to become, so in the "next" timeline sayid wouldnt kill him etc.
I'm not quite sure how to solve this problem, but if they dont, im really pissed ;-)
Juliet and Sawyer are about as unlikely a couple as can be. She is the educated person and he is a self made man. I know opposites attract but this is Lost.
I think she deliberately latched onto him for safety. He is the cave man hero type after all. In this place of 1974 he is the only one who she could hook up with. There is no danger of her slipping up and giving away who they really are as long as she is with him. We have seen her taste as Goodwin and Jack..again seeming to be a smart choice more than being swept off her feet with mad passionate love. Maybe Goodwin was chosen to help get away more than love. Jack was her next good chance to escape. Kate isn't the only one with happy feet running from her problems. She still comes across as a coniving practical person. As a character she has always rubbed me the wrong way. Snitching to Jin about Sun's lover supposedly to "keep" Sun safe and get her off the Island. I doubt she needed to do that..Sun would not have left with Locke if Juliet hadn't blown the whistle on her to Jin. Juliet can't stand seeing happy couples..she is a bitch. Sucking up to Jack again to escape. She was divorced and trapped with the Ex when we met her. Refresh my memory here...didn't this woman jump at the chance to go with Alpert and casually take the drug for the trip? What about her devotion to the sister? She left before she knew the woman was going to survive without a backward glance. For some reason I feel like she has got a total memory of the events they all lived through and is just bidding her time til it course corrects in her favor. Sister well and back to the future.
Sawyer never gave up looking for "them" and he just made the best possible life while he was waiting. He is the master of the long con. As head of security he has access to everything and can send his guys out to search daily right? If he really prefers present life why does he keep sending Jin and Miles out? And why was he so happy to finally find someone from his former life? Being Sawyer he could have just wasted the returnees and kept on living the good life couldn't he? He knows about the purge and that Ben is already in place, so its in everyone's best interest to get the hell out of Dodge before the 90's. At this point in time the Losties are in with the losing team..all the Dhrama folk wind up in that big hole remember? Rotting away. Yuk.
In the scene at the window..it wasn't him who was giving up so much as he knew that they were just "playing house" til the others came back.
I know..I know..he did the speech with Horace about 3 years being enough and probably meant it at the time, but the situation has changed. He is maintaining his cover and being big buddies with Horace the top man which is the safest way to live
So, they have had what? 2 days max with the others back? To keep up the con he can't really hang out and talk old times with Jack or Kate. They are the new recruits and why should the head of security just jump in and be best buddies with them. Jack is a janitor and Kate a mechanic..Sawyer is at the top of the food chain in this reality. Once he let down and seemed to enjoy digging Jack about the role reversal. Hugo is the only one who seems at peace already. Hugo didn't have much of a life to live back in LA anyway..he was in the institution remember?
Sayid has never really been in on the time stuff that I remember. He wasn't in any scenes that I recall with Daniel and he was in the US and had no idea that anyone time traveled. He never seemed concerned with the left behinds because he was with his love and then working for Ben. I haven't seen any indication that he knew anything til Ben told him that Hugo was in trouble. All he seems to know is they escaped the island and is totally glad they did.
I saw no reason for him to think he had landed in 1977 til Jin caught him. Then it finally dawned on him that they weren't in "Kansas Toto" He knew the Island was weird and that it appeared to vanish, but this man is a soldier and not a scientist. Did he ever talk much with Locke about what a wonderful miracle place this Island was? Seems he spent his time trying to fix gadgets to contact the outside and do combat stuff. I am sure he figured out more and will probably reveal this to us in some episode.
Ben, Locke, Daniel, Desmond..they are the keys I think. Desmond wasn't an original lostie..he wasn't on flight 815 and to my recall the ones who had to go back were the Oceanic 6. He and Frank weren't the original players at all. Their purpose is a mystery to me but will probably be revealed. Ms. Hawking told him that the island wasn't through with him yet. I don't think Ben killed anyone much less Penny and the baby Charlie. He is just sneaky and we figure he is just up to no good. He gets beat up by everybody. I think the scene of him on the phone with the marina in the background was a red herring. He may have went there looking for someone, but I still think Des, Penny and the baby flew back to the states. Des has spent three years hiding out with his family..I doubt he would expose them now. He has memories remember and may "know" Penny is in danger.
I think in some future episode we will see some VERY interesting events or links between Ben and Christian Shepard. They never ever appear together on the show, and this makes me think that something big is going to be revealed concerning the two of them. They also never refer to each other or mention each other in any conversation they have with people. While they both appear to have the same goal (to save the island) they seem to be going about it in different ways/seperately.Also, in season 3 when christian tells locke that he has to move the island, when locke comes out to tell ben, locke never mentioned that he was talking to Christian. I think the producers are purposly having no interaction between christian and ben so that in some future episode (season 5 or 6) there will be a build up of tension when the charaters do actually interact for some BIG IMPORTANT reason........
Well said Anonymous..Widmore is just on the outside looking in right now..his big chance with the kill team flopped and now he has no idea where that island is. Unless Ceasar and the "bounty hunter" girl have been hanging around watching airlines for him. and I remember when Ms. Hawking showed them the possible airliner paths they did the math on..there were dozens and it seemed like the Losties bought tickets and hopped on at the last minute. No way anyone could have tracked them. So far Ben shows no knowledge of the extra folk on the plane.
Widmore will strike when he gets the chance, but it looks like the main players are shaping up. It seems like Widmore and Ben are playing a human chess game doesn't it? The show always shows the games Backgammon and mainly Chess doesn't it with black/white players.
The next 6 shows will get us going for sure and oh my wait til next year.
Ok, coming in a little late here but two points no one has yet brought up...
(1) For a hippy-like establishment in the '70s I haven't heard any language of the time by the Dharmas such as "groovy" or any influence of disco which was big by '77. I'd like to see a little more authenticism applied, and
(2) isn't anyone else surprised that this group of Dharmas would vote on killing Sayid, as a hostile ?! WTH is that about ?! It's like these people are used to passing capital judgment decisions on a regular basis! These are supposed to be highly intelligent, civilized people and yet - even in the presence of a mother with infant child - they're voting without much dissenting debate at all to kill Sayid. Seems very obtuse to me, kind of like the writers are being lazy and pandering. Seriously, kill a hostile when he's only been suspected as a clumsy spy?
And I'm not even going to go into detail about the problems with the sudden, snap decision of Sayid to shoot young Ben in the heart. Ugh.
Best episode of the season? Sorry, but no. This was, in fact, my least favorite episode of the season. Sure, Sayid was given a bit more screentime, as was Young Ben... but other than that, most every twist and turn was, well, not one; I felt the whole scenario was completely predictable.
I personally do not think that ben is dead. If you look at the scene where he is shot as a boy, you see a hole where the bullet goes in, but there is absolutely no blood. They keep the camera on him for a good 4 seconds, and i think was to show the audiance that he did not bleed. Lost has not been shy in the past to use squibs. I feel that the island won't let him die, similar to that of micheal in season four, where he tries to kill himself over and over, but is unsuccessful because the island is not done with him yet. It was a great cliffhanger, and of course i could be wrong. The writers of the show never cease to surprise and shock everyone. If ben is dead, i'm sure there is a perfectly good explaination for it.
Anyone else notice the lighting change after Sayid took the drugs? When he leans in towards Oldham it goes very dark compared to every other shot where the sun is streaming. Watch the episode again and it's very obvious. Not sure if this is a production error or has any other significance.
And maybe one reason that Ben is such an evil bastard to Sayid is that he knows that he needs to goad Sayid into shooting him, because something important in Ben's timeline needs him to be shot by Sayid.
In other words, Older Ben is mean to Sayid so he will shoot Younger Ben, something that Older Ben knows about and wants to happen.
Eludium, you have some very good points. I think that the DI people are not more into disco because they are older people, more influenced by the 60's movement and early 70's. They have been on the island for a few years now, so I don't think it's such a authenticity matter with that. I do agree that unanimously voting to kill a hostile does seem like strange behavior if you believe that scientists who perform strange experiments on animals and humans are perfectly normal tree-hugging hippies!
Is it possible that Ben that was shot by Sayid is not the Ben Linus we see later? What is the original Ben (the boy) is killed, and his lace is taken by a Hostile of about the same age? Remember that Ben said he was born on the island and that his mother taught him to read, not true of the Ben that was shot. Why the boy was replaced isn't clear, but maybe the Hostiles thought that Sayid was one of them and therefore replaced the boy a a way of keeping the truce. this would create the ironic situation of Sayid killing the true Ben and causing the evil Ben to replace him.
Poor Faraday is dead, dead, dead.
He died of radiation poisoning after helping the others deal with Jughead
I think that seeing sayid kill the chicken is pivitol to his character. To have him do that for his brother shows us that yes, he will kill, if its for what he thinks is the "greater good". Also, the scene shows us yet another time that sayid kills a living creature as a favor to another person. Lest we forget, he did give the dead chicken to his bro. after we see their father chastising the bro. about not wanting to kill the chicken.
I dont think that Sawyer want to stay in with the DI. it wouldnt make any sense because he knows that Ben grows up and stages the purge on those people. To me, it seems just as if he IS waiting for Locke to return with some sort of further instruction, or else he wouldnt have felt the need to go after kate to talk to Richard.
As for Jack not saving little Ben, it was a good move on the writers part. If Jack HAD saved lil Ben, there would have been the need to explain how Ben becomes so ruthless and evolves into one of the others. Then they wouldhave needed to find a way to introduce the temple. But having the temple be where Ben goes as a child to get healed is perfect. I liked how Jack gave us a hint as to what he is trying to accomplish while he is on the island. Hes been trying to fix things the entire show and now he is just sitting back and enjoying the ride with the rest of us.
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