Wednesday, April 29, 2009

5x14 "The Variable" Review

It's been a day for 100s, though for different reasons, for different people. For most of the world, today marks the 100th day that U.S. President Barack Obama has been in office. However, for the Lost nerds of the world, this was a completely different 100 entirely. April 29, 2009 marked the first airing of "The Variable," the official hundredth episode (though some would debate 100th hour) of everyone's favorite Island drama. And the hundredth episode did not disappoint. But really, did you think it would?

Let me begin at the end: Daniel Faraday is dead. I say this to you with a heavy heart; Daniel was my favorite character of the show. But alas, his light was snuffed out by his own manipulative mommy (that's a first for Lost), Eloise Hawking. I have to commend the writers of Lost, however, for giving Daniel such a spectacular send-out episode, and such a great death. While I hate to see Jeremy Davies leave the show, I wouldn't have him do so any other way. Maybe he'll return as a guest star...I could possibly see that happening.

But regardless of favorite character deaths, this episode was one for the books. While it wasn't quite on par with the similarly named "The Constant," the episode was still quite revealing about Daniel, and was the second episode in a row (after two weeks ago's "Some Like It Hoth") to reveal shocking details about a science teamer's father. I feel like this episode really rounded out the character of Daniel, giving him a short but meaty arc.

The episode began with Penny waiting anxiously in the hospital while Desmond was rushed into surgery for the bullet wound that Ben gave Des back in "Dead is Dead." While I really didn't think at the time that the shot had even hit Des (the camera showed not even the slightest speck of red), it was quite believable to me that the flimsy paper sack hadn't been able to stop the bullet. I'm pretty sure that Desmond hadn't gone to the grocery for kevlar.

Meanwhile, on the Island, we picked up right back where we had left off last week, with Daniel getting off the sub and getting greeted by Miles. While the new recruits were being told that they weren't going to be getting their much needed rest, Daniel didn't stick around to listen and instead barged in on Jack, telling him that the "destiny" that Eloise had forced upon them was actually just a giant crock, and that they weren't meant to be on the Island. That's pretty tough for Jack to hear at three in the morning, but he held up considerably well.

And then we went into a super-freaky Lost intertitle, which was different in some little way. I can't quite put my finger on how it was different...maybe it was the stars surrounding the title, or perhaps it was the Starship Enterprise zooming through Lost's "O". It was quite disconcerting, and I'd rather Captain Kirk keep himself out of my Lost.

We then got a flashback to Dan's childhood, where he, like Ben, was a talented pianist, though Eloise insisted that he should give it up and instead focus all of his time on science. Perhaps this was part of her role as "temporal policeman," as she was once described by Damon Lindelof. After all, she stated that it was her "job" to keep him on the path to science.

Back on the Island, we had a little recap of the opening scene of "Because You Left," in which Daniel observed Pierre while Pierre was at the Orchid. And then Daniel dropped the bombshell: He was from the future. But did he honestly expect Pierre to believe him? Pierre brushed it off as a cruel joke, much like Daniel brushed off Desmond's claims of time-travel in "The Constant." And he didn't get any backup from Miles, even when he revealed to Pierre that Miles was his son. Miles simply denied this and went about his day.

We got to see Phil trapped in the closet this week, which I thought was funny, especially after Phil's incessant annoyingness throughout the past few episodes. Too bad he had to be discovered by that incredibly angry Stuart Radzinsky.

Earlier in the year, I stated that Stuart Radzinsky was like the DHARMA version of Frogurt. I take that back completely; he's much, much worse. Radzinsky's paranoia really went off the deep end this week, and we got to see him angry firing shots at almost all of our favorite characters, as well as screaming at everyone to get on the ground. Through my utter hatred of this character's actions, I try to take solace in the fact that eventually, one of those shots that Radzinsky fires will be a shot at himself, leaving only a brown stain for Kelvin Inman to point to. But for now, he's got Sawyer and Juliet in custody. I'll bet we'll be seeing even more of Radzinsky next week in some shape or form. Will Oldham be involved? I hope so.

We got to see a little bit of Theresa Spencer this week. If you don't remember, we had previously seen her in a coma during "Jughead," where she and her sister were visited by Desmond. Apparently she was Daniel's squeeze/lab assistant, though we really don't know what Daniel did to make her so invalid. All we know is that he tried it on himself, and presumably only came out with severe memory loss.

Speaking of memory loss, we also got to go back and look at the opener of "Confirmed Dead," which was Daniel crying while watching the Oceanic wreckage report on the news. Many fans speculated that this was due to Daniel time travelling or something else mysterious and relating to Daniel's time spent on the Island. But no, it was because it simply made him sad. He explained this to Charles Widmore, who personally came and recruited him to go to the Island, though Desmond did not remember their meeting. And also, Widmore confirmed that he staged the wreckage, finally giving a solid answer to the debate that's been going on between fans as to whether or not Ben was responsible. For more information on this debate, see Nickb123's earlier blog post.

We found out this week for sure that Ellie, who we saw in "Jughead," was actually "Eloise Hawking." Did anyone not see that coming? It's one of the most predictable twists of the entire show.

There was a pretty cool firefight at the motor pool between Radzinsky and his men and Jack, Kate, and Daniel. Jack took charge, making me proud of the character for the first time in a long time. Daniel got clipped in the neck as well. When I saw him go down, I was sure that he was a goner. Imagine my relief when I found out he was okay. Well, until he got shot by Eloise later. "Destiny," as Ben says, "is a fickle bitch."

Before he got shot, however, Daniel spilled the beans to Jack and Kate about everything he knew about the Island. We got a very cool speech about constants and variables, with the titular variables being people, who possess free will. Daniel stated that he intended to stop the incident by detonating the Jughead. Will the Losties follow through with his plan? They just might -- the prevention of the incident (or at least the evacuation of DHARMA) will mean that Oceanic 815 never crashed, that the freighter never came to the Island.. Is it possible? Can two different, parallell timelines be created in the Lost universe? I kind of hope so, because that would be incredibly complex, and a fantastic storyline for next season. Of course, there's also the argument that it could develop Donnie Darko-syndrome (too complicated for the average bear). Either way, I'm incredibly happy with what Daniel was saying, and I was buying into every word.

And then he got shot, and died. And before anyone says anything, there's no question in my mind that he is dead. The camera stayed on his unblinking face long enough to pound into our heads that he really is dead. As much as I hate to say it, he's got no chance.

The only question that this episode really left me with is this: where does the Comic-Con Dharma booth video fit in? That was obviously Daniel's voice in the background arguing with Pierre, but apparently there's no way that this could happen. Hm...post your hypothesis in the comment section below. I'd love to hear it.

All in all this was an episode for the books, and probably one of my personal favorites. Episode 100 was all the hype they built it up to be, and it was the best hour of television all week. Quite possibly it was the best episode of Lost this year. What do you think? Again, share in the comments section below. Come back again next week as the LP blog reviews "Follow the Leader."

96 comments:

  1. What about Widmore saying "He's my son too"!!?

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  2. Sorry, can't agree he's dead.

    For one thing, it just doesn't feel like he's fulfilled his role on the show. For another, he's listed in Internet Movie Database as appearing in the next three episodes. Yes, of course that could mean he's in flashbacks - but I think we've seen all the Daniel flashbacks that would serve any real purpose.

    And of course, he could hang on for a couple of episodes a la Libby and then die.

    I think he'll be unconscious for at least awhile- and the Losties will have to decide whether to try to forge ahead and prevent their own plane from crashing. And I'm guessing they will decide not to.

    The Incident will happen, leading to the button needing to be pressed... Eloise will get them back to 2007 (and/or the incident will "throw" them there) and they'll end the season reunited in the 21st Century.

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  3. So Penny and Daniel are brother and sister... half or full? Who is Penny's mother?

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  4. Well, IMDb is user edited, Lola, so take that info with a grain of salt.

    Andrew, I believe I referenced that with the daddy issues thing earlier in the article.

    Lisa, I'd say half, because Penny didn't even know Eloise.

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  5. Technically if Daniel dies in the past he will still be born in the future to Eloise and Widmore as he was meant to be. There are so many parallels. Could this season end with Jack following through with Faraday's plan to detonate the hydrogen bomb? I hate waiting for the next episode...it's torture and I mean Sayid torture not Daryl and is other brother Daryl type torture!

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  6. And here I thought Daniel would be the "Constant" that would bring the Oceanic 6 back together again!!!!!

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  7. I think Daniel will be back in some sort of flashback form. I think he's dead.

    I also like that Jack may be getting back to free will. I didn't like him as a "this is my destiny" ninny. I liked the conflict between him and Locke.

    And then the question is - will we have two different parallel universes or will we have something more akin to back to the future - changes in the past recreate the future?

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  8. Agree that we will see more of Daniel at least in flashback form. I think there's definitely more to his story. It seemed that Desmond learned something during his time in Ann Arbor that made him distrustful of his mother's motives.

    I speculate that Eloise interacted with Daniel during his time back in the US in 1974-1977. And that this is somehow connected with her ability to see the "future". Also speculate that she told him directly to go back to the island and find her in '77.

    If Eloise raised Daniel to be a physicist despite knowing what would happen to him, I think there must have been something in it for her.

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  9. I can see where you're coming from regarding his unblinking last few moments, but let's not forget Locke had the same when he was in the pit. Not to say he won't die later, like Locke. :)

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  10. This was a great story for Dan. I liked how some previous FBs that we saw were connected with a bigger picture in this episode. I'm very upset that Eloise did this to him, and so now I demand that we know why she has done this to her own son.

    Another thing is that I definitely did not expect Dan to tell Jack that he was not supposed to be there. It will be interesting to see what kind of implications there will be (beyond what we've already seen) for their coming back.

    Last thing, just something that bothered me a little, why does Radzinsky come flying up in the Dharma bus with weapons and ready to shoot Dan? Is it simply that Chang had told him what Dan said? It seemed kind of strange that he is pulling up to them already on the defense as if he already knows that they would be at the mechanic's shop getting guns. What was that all about?

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  11. LisaC....slight correction, half-siblings as Widmore had Penny with someone "off the island", thus his banishment. He had Farraday on the island, presumably with Eloise.
    Not sure if ABC will show Widmore's off island dalliance.

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  12. Can someone please remind me how Farrady got off the island.

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  13. I'm kinda thinking that Daniel may not be dead. Maybe Richard took him to wherever he took Ben.

    Daniel was a fun character, and he knew a lot about the island. So I'm thinking he may come back some how or maybe not. Time will tell (pun intended);)

    I had already suspected that Widmore & Hawking were his parents -- so is Penny his half sister or full sister? I'd say a half because of his different name? Eloise could have married someone else and they adopted Daniel or something like that?

    But, anyway, who would put up with that attitude of hers? She came across as a kind of friendlier character way back at the antique shop with Desmond. Maybe dealing with all the time travelers is getting to her. All in all a good episode. Things are getting racheted up!

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  14. Wow I just realized how big this "Fate" issue really is! I mean, it started with Jack and Locke being at odds over it (Locke for, Jack against. And it has now ballooned into something much bigger!

    There seems to always be a relationship between two people demonstrate the fate/free will balance. For example:

    Eloise Hawking- Believes in fate, or that everything has to happen a certain way and can't change.
    Daniel Faraday, her son- Used to believe that "What happened, happened." But now theorized that the variables could change the outcome.

    Widmore- Believes in fate. I think that more will be revealed to support this later. However, I am basing this on the fact that he knew that his Daniel would be killed and went along with it anyway.
    Ben- Believes in free will. He is always trying to manipulate things to his own advantage. He has done everything possible to take Locke out of the picture, such as trying to kill him (twice), making him kill his father in order to join the Others, turning the wheel instead of him (Christian said Locke was supposed to do it and not him), etc. Plus, he came back to the island even though there is some mysterious rule that says that he can't.

    I think that either side is wrong. In fact, I think that both sides are right. Jack was always right about choosing his own path, and Locke was always right about following a destiny. Ben has been able to change things on several occasions, and yet somehow Locke never dies and always ends up doing what he is supposed to do. I have a feeling that this will be made more apparent in future episodes.

    So why did Eloise and Widmore allow Daniel to die? Because they are fate characters and they always have to fulfill their fate.

    Now the interesting thing to see is about Daniel's idea to change the future. Even though he is apparently dead, Jack is a free will character and may take this idea and run with it.

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  15. I just realized how chilling it is that Eloise gave Daniel his journal with the phrase "No matter what, remember that I will always love you" written inside the cover. I truly believe that she was terribly saddened by the fact that she would kill him eventually.

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  16. And another thing I just realized. Remember how Locke started changing his mind about the whole fate thing, and Mr. Eko had to bring him back to where he was supposed to be? Well I just came up with another parallel.

    Because of Locke and Eloise (both fate proponents) Jack has begun to subscribe to the whole fate idea. And now Daniel Faraday (acting much like Eko did for Locke) comes and starts convincing Jack that there is no fate. He says that Jack wasn't supposed to come back to the island, and that he has found a way to change the future.

    This is just a thought that I had. What do you guys think?

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  17. I definitely had some suspicions about Widmore and Ellie being Daniel's parents, and all we know of Penny's mother is that she was/is an off-islander (as stated in the flashback when Widmore was exiled from the island), so it is exciting to see that Daniel is Penny's "brother from an Other-mother", so to speak.

    There IS a possibility that Daniel is not dead (though dead is relative in Lost), although I agree that the end of the episode certainly emphasized his dying. He did tell Ellie that he is her son, so perhaps they do take him to the temple and conduct whatever island resurrection thing they do...OR something happens to him if and when The Incident occurs, since he has had severe temporal issues via his research. Either way, if this is the case, it leads me to think that he would be a great candidate for Jacob.

    The few scenes we do see of Jacob involve him appearing to be trapped - saying "help me" to Locke, and apparently confined to the cabin. Perhaps Daniels fate becomes similar to that of his old flame Teresa: the consciousness flashing in and out of the 'here and now', and his consciousness manifesting itself as it appears on the Island is what we know as Jacob?

    Just one thought of many on this subject...I also suspect that Jacob might be Jack but thats a whole other discussion. Personally, on the topic of destiny and changing the past, I tend to think that they do NOT end up changing anything, despite Daniels insistence that they can, and the real crux of the show will be to see just how all of these events of the past correlate to the events of the future (which we have seen already...), and that simultaneously, yes people have free will in that nobody can stop them from taking action, BUT whether they realize it or not and whether or not they try to change it, whatever action they do take is the one that affects the future as it stands, and "whatever happened, happened."

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  18. All I could think about was Richard Alpert saying "Do I know you?" to Daniel, even after, in 1954, he knew who he was when he said "You couldnt keep away, could you?" Does Alpert have temporal displacement going on too? How did he recognize Daniel in 1954, but had no recollection in 1977? I'm thinking there is more to the Alpert/Faraday relationship and maybe next week's "Follow the Leader" we will have Faraday back for some flashbacks.

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  19. I take it back, it was Eloise who said, 'You just couldn't stay away could you?'. Alpert, believing Faraday to be of US Military Personel, believed Faraday to be back as part of what he calls the Army's suicide mission.

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  20. Actually, when Daniel said "It's not your destiny to be here", I don't think he meant Jack's not supposed to be on the Island, i think he meant Jack is not supposed to be in 1977. He is supposed to be in 2008 with Ben, Lapidus, and Sun. Just my 2 cents.

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  21. Anon - regarding your comment "He is supposed to be in 2008 with Ben, Lapidus, and Sun"

    Could be, but he asked how Jack got to the island, Jack replied 'on a plane', and when asked who sent them back Jack said that it was Faraday's mother. This is the part that Daniel said was wrong, that she was wrong, so that implies that they were not supposed to come back at all. If they were with Sun and Frank in 2008, they still would have been doing what Eloise told them to do.

    How Jack, Hurley, Kate ended up in 1977 we still don't totally understand...this may be the Island's intervention of who really *should* be when/where.

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  22. three thoughts

    1- The fact has been emphasized, "this is our present"..jack even said "any of us could die".....that was a great foreshadowing for Faraday's death. Buuuut, if in fact the losties are able to carry out Daniel's plan and blow the H-bomb and by doing so are able to create a parallel alternate future... there should still be a future. Ella and Chuck would still shack up and make little genius and hence, there would still be a Daniel Faraday, just not in the timeline that we've been refering to as the 70's... it would be then possible for a future Daniel Faraday to exist again and somehow incorporate into the story line in another way.

    2- Maybe Faray can be healed. The Island healed others of their issues (even Faraday's memory) The hostles were even able to heal Ben after his incident. So, maybe it's not over for Daniel. Though, I want to go on record as believing he IS dead in the present that we are now seeing unfold in the past. (haha)

    3- A GREAT addition to the episode was the note that Ella wrote in the front of DF's journal. "Remember, no matter what, that I love you" (or whatever it said)... she knew that she would one day kill him...er...in the past... and this was perhaps her therapy for dealing with the guilt of what she would have to do (send him back to the Island)

    Ella (the old) is a very complex character. Her role in Desmond's arc as well as that of her son and sending the Oceanic 6 back to the island must go much deeper. Can't wait to learn more about her story.

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  23. Perhaps Eloise sent those on Flight 316 to act as Variables to save her son? "All of them" had to go, so the percentage of sucess would be higher.

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  24. Only explanation as to the Comic-Con Dharma video, DANIEL ISN'T DEAD

    The reason I say this... LOST is very good about keeping with continuity. Doesn't seem like they would just completely forget that video and just kill Daniel off instead.

    My question with that of course is, was the video filmed before or after the incident? After seems most likely, as Chang would believe Daniel then, but with LOST, you never know

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  25. What episode is the Comic-Con DHARMA video in?

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  26. GUYS... Pay attention to details..

    BEN was NEVER kicked off the island....

    LOCKE was supposed to turn the wheel thus taking him off the island meaning BEN would have remained on the island..

    EVERYONE IS ASSUMING BEN WAS "BOOTED" but in reality...

    HE IS MEANT TO REMAIN ON THE ISLAND.....

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  27. We must remember in discussing the character's motivations (esp. Eloise) that for the most part, all of them act out of a sense of duty to some grea purpose, which has not yet been fully revealed, other than a general interest in the Island's welfare, however that is defined from the various characters' points of view. If that's the case, it must have taken something extremely important in the "cosmic sense" for Eloise to have sent her son (Daniel) back to the Island to face his death at her own hands. Imagine you're the mother who chooses to do that!
    A question: Where does Daniel actually get the info in his notebook from? I seen to remember him carrying it around when he first got to the Island from the Freighter. Did it come purely from experiments done at Ann Arbor from 1974-1977, or from "personal experience" in his time travelling experiments at Oxford before he was recruited for the DHARMA Initiative?
    Finally, a-la Locke, let's not be too sure that Daniel is "really dead" -after all, who of us gave Locke a chance to return after he was shot by Ben and left for dead in the DHARMA execution pit? It may be that Daniel has as transcendent a role in the rest of the show as Locke seems to have.

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  28. Another thing:

    What exactly did Daniel mean when he told Jack and the other Losties that "they were never meant to be there?" (DHARMA 1977)

    Does it mean that there was a malfunction, where the force that took them off Flight 316 and put them in 1974 should have instead put them in 2007?

    Or does it mean that the 316'ers were put on the Island in 1974 as a result of being manipulated by Eloise, working through Ben, who brought everyone to the Lampost Station?

    Or does it mean that they don't have to be involved with the Island at all, if they're able to change the future with their own actions (ie; "The Variable") ?

    Also: what is the relationship between Ben and Eloise? Aren't Ben and Widmore on opposite sides of things? It seems as though Eloise and Widmore have had regular contact through the years, but that Eloise appears to be working with Ben?

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  29. I don't think Faraday is really dead. I'd put some money on El being sorry for shooting him, and thus the little note but how can Dan be dead if he is filming Chang?

    And if Chang didn't believe him the first time, then Dan gets shot, that leaves no room for the Comic Con video to be shot and shown '30 years in the future.'

    Maybe Elloise saw Chang's video, and heard Dan's voice in the present. If so, would she want to make contact with them? Probably so, and since shes the only one who knows how to get to the island she is the only one who CAN get to the island.

    Now, I think its a little interesting about the two characters Bram and Ilana, I don't think they 'fit' as natural passengers or anything else like that. Maybe they were sent by Elloise?

    That might explain why they all know about this Statue (They used to be 'Others')

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  30. Is it possible that Jack will save Daniel?

    Eloise told Jack at the LampPost that he specifically had to go back to the island because he still had work to do.

    Just a thought ...

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  31. I'm starting to think that it was Locke who was suppose to turn the wheel because the "exit" sends you forward a few months, thus, he would be exiting AFTER the Oceanic 6 have already attempted to get their lives back on track. It is Locke who had to bring them all back, so the whole Ben turning the wheel was not at the Islands command, thus, throwing this whole thing into mayhem.

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  32. BEN was NEVER kicked off the island....

    LOCKE was supposed to turn the wheel thus taking him off the island meaning BEN would have remained on the island..

    EVERYONE IS ASSUMING BEN WAS "BOOTED" but in reality...

    HE IS MEANT TO REMAIN ON THE ISLAND.....

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  33. Ok this blows my mind. Is Daniel now stuck in a loop? If he is later born on the island (after being killed by his mother as an adult), will he be shot all over again? I guess it all depends on however Jack and co manages to detonate the bomb thus changing history. And what happens with them physically? Will they just magically disappear when brought forward in time to "where they belong"? Will the time travel reset them completely? Bah, can't wrap my head around this...

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  34. I Honestly feel that BEN and JACK are what this whole thing will revolve around...


    BEN is a KEY to this whole story we call LOST..

    The reason I say Jack... Is because out of all the actors.. the producers only trusted him to know how everything ends...

    Matthew Fox is the only cast member who knows how everything ends up in season 6 ... why would they tell only him???

    To prepare him for what is to come and bring it to the screen???


    JACK BABY... Hes not a puss after all...LOLOLOLOL

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  35. Has anyone among the powers that be ever actually stated that the ComiCon video is canon for the series? Or, at least, said that it was actually Daniel Faraday/Jeremy Davies voice in the video? I haven't seen the video, but all of the descriptions I've read imply that the speaker was never seen and that the voice only sounds like Daniel.

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  36. I think that the pliable nature of time will help to minimize Faraday's death, like it did with Horace.

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  37. could jughead be buried beneath the rubble of the four-toed statue? is it possible that eloise is responsible for ilana and bram?

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  38. fyi, all of the comic-con videos are available to view on youtube.

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  39. My first thought on this episode was how weird it must have been for Eloise after shooting Daniel (if he is dead).. Think about it, she will know she is going to get pregnant, and give birth and raise him up to be the man she shot; only she already shot him before she gave birth. Ahh I love lost!

    One thing I also picked up on about Jack's change of attitude is when he directly confronts Sawyer and tells him him and Kate are going despite what Sawyer is ordering. This is reflective of the fact that he has been told this destiny mumbo-jumbo is indeed that, and how he is going to take things into his own hands now, contrary to his evidently passive attitude ever since he came back to the Island. Someone said in an earlier blog that they wanted Jack to get his 'Island mojo' back on, and I think their wishes are beginning to be fulfilled..

    Another subtle connection I adored about this episode was the fact that Eloise's small note to Daniel in his notebook:

    'No matter what, remember, I will always love you'

    is remembered (I can only assume) by Daniel as he's lying down looking up at her, hence him saying whatever he said about
    her knowing it was going to happen..

    However I think Daniel is not dead, partly because it has been done before on the show: young Ben was in a similar situation a few episodes ago and the island healed him. Also, we've all seen Pierre's transmission from Comic-Con 2008, and the voice of the cameraman is indisputably Faraday's. When else can this be filmed if not after Faraday being shot? The mention of Chang's that his source 'has proven himself credible' is a good drawback on how previously (in 'The Variable') Dan had not proven himself credible, and so after all that's happened he will.. BUT that's all assuming the video is canon, and unfortunately Darlton in the podcast before this episode did say it was only semi-canon or promotional.. Bad news for Fara-fans!

    I so hope Dannyboy doesn't die, he is by far my favourite character and I was so hyped when he came back last episode, it would be a pity to end his story here!

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  40. I keep searching and can't find whether that video is canon or not. It says the video game story line is not canon but the dharma stations and island locations are. Is it considered part of the storyline?
    And it's definitely Faraday's voice.

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  41. The other reason I think he's dead is because his mother told Widmore "I sent my son back to the island knowing full well he-"

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  42. Jeff said...

    "We must remember in discussing the character's motivations (esp. Eloise) that for the most part, all of them act out of a sense of duty to some grea purpose, which has not yet been fully revealed, other than a general interest in the Island's welfare"


    ...act out a sense of duty to some great purpose...

    IS roughly the philosophical definition of the word "dharma" btw

    We are all soo entrenched... I love this show!

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  43. Just a thought after Faraday's comment that Jack wasn't supposed to be there (1977) and his talk about the variables. When Ben showed up at the Dharma homes, Sun showed him the picture of the new recruits that included Harley, Jack and Kate. He said he had never seen that picture...yet it was under his nose for 30 years?! I wondered if he was lying or the writers overlooked a thought, but what if that picture didn't exist in what Ben experienced and slowly the actions of O6. And then Hawking was wrong about Desmond's death and realized she was faultering (unless that was an act).

    I can't say i stand behind that idea 100%, but it's just a thought.

    As for Widmore and Hawking.. not surprised, but WHERE did she conceive? Remember.. none of the Others have had a successful pregnancy on the Island.

    Perhaps this is all why Widmore has been a hardass towards Desmond and wanted to keep him away from his daughter, he knew Desmond's eventual role.

    I mocked a friend for this before.. but wouldn't that be a bizarre loop if Penny and Desmond return to the island, and little Charlie (named after the rockstar) ends up being his own grandfather?!

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  44. The explanation of the Comic Con booth is fairly simple to me. Daniel was present, filming Pierre, but that doesn't mean we were hearing Daniel from a linear perspective of time. It could have simply been him traveling through time before he died, and seeing Pierre. Maybe somehow Pierre had already seen he was dead, so when he saw Daniel again, and Daniel explained the time travel, he now believed him.

    How else would you believe a man you know was was dead standing before you, unless he told you he time traveled.

    He traveled to that period in time BEFORE he died in last night's episode. To Pierre he was already dead, but to Daniel he had not yet died.

    Make sense?

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  45. I thought about that, but dismissed it. I could see it as a way Faraday tried to get away from the area so he didn't run into himself but not sure that's how he convinces Chang he's from the future. How would Chang see his body? The Others, after Ellie sees the man that told her he was from the future, had not aged after 20-30 years, and to bury the bomb ends up being her son, returns his body to the group she's at odds with he doesn't belong to..?

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  46. rowleys: I think what you say is very interesting... I see those parallells you've mentioned, though I'd only half noticed it before.

    But I've long though the show was not taking as stark a side in this as interpreted by some... like it's all fate and fatalism... no there is struggle between destiny and free will.

    I like the idea that some work to follow their destiny fully (using free will for that) and some work to maximize their freedom (working off their destiny to do that).

    thanks for the ideas.

    -harcourt

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  47. Wired MagazineOMG, no one's even mentioned the issue of Wired magazine that Widmore picked up and moved. You had to have HDTV to see the detail but it was a real issue ! It was the August 2003 issue that you can find here at Wired's issue archive --> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.08 .

    The gist is that it's the Super Power Issue featuring Invisibility and Time Travel! "The Impossible Gets Real". A very geektastic moment.

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  48. A few other notes ... I'm kind of surprised by the lack of gnoshing about the Fence code: 141717. Surely there must be some significance but maybe we don't know what to just yet.

    Something else no one's mentioned ... one of the most poignant scenes of the series was when young Daniel tells his mom that he can learn piano and do science/math, that he can make time for both and his mother responds "if only you could", implying the literal creation of "more time". Pretty mind blowing.

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  49. "Lisa, I'd say half, because Penny didn't even know Eloise."

    That is not nessecarily good proof. Because Daniel didn't know Widmore existed for a long while and he is his father. How is Penny any different. Just because she didn't know her doesn't really prove anything. Do we know who Penny's mother is already is the question. I can't recall. Also,I found that young Eloise and penny look similar. So it isn't far fetched. Just a theory though.

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  50. I wouldn't write Daniel off just yet - Richard seemed to think it was a needless death, and Ellie was looking a bit freaked out that she may have killed her own son - are we sure of the extent of the healing properties of the temple? A visit might be in order. This also reminds me of Richard wanting Paul's dead body - hmmmm. Maybe he took it to scoot it off to the temple to enlist a new Other. Let's not forget "resurrection" is not a foreign theme on this show.

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  51. Did Faraday know about the 1977 Swan incident prior to leaving for Ann Arbor? I can't remember if the Flt. 815 survivors (+ Juliet and Desmond) got around to explaining everything to Faraday when he got to the island. I'm sure they explained some, but would they have gone into the entire history of the hatch (including the incident mentioned in the Swan introductory video)? Did they know the exact date it had occurred?

    Maybe Faraday was prepped by Widmore's people prior to his 2007 trip to the island.

    It seems like this is an important point. Because if Faraday knew that the incident was coming (and when it would happen), it's strange of him to arrive as he did one day prior with a half-assed plan to stop it.

    And if he found out that the incident was going to occur when he was in Ann Arbor, how did that happen? Was he studying scientific evidence from the island, and thus able to figure out that they were in trouble? His knowledge of the exact time of the incident seems pretty precise. And when Faraday tells Dr. Chang that the incident will be catastrophic, it sounds like he's talking from experience rather than predicting.

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  52. did anyone notice that the shot went through daniel's body? it looked as if it hit richard too from his facial reaction. but he was fine

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  53. Why does NO ONE hear that it is clearly Miles with Pierre in the comic con video? Rewatch the interchange between Miles and Faraday when Faraday asks if miles can drive them all to the others and miles just tosses Faraday the keys. The look he gives Faraday and Faraday understands and responds to is Miles saying basically "okay, I'm going to talk to my dad. I'll do it if this is what has to happen." Listen to the voice in the comic con thing- it has the exact intonation that Miles has.

    Also- i think it would be totally cool if like you said, what lied in the shadow of the statue was the bomb, and that's why most of the staute is missing.

    And... I think that Jack is so in love with Kate that he will either realize that he can't allow the plane to land in LA because on that plane Kate is bound for hard jail time- OR kate is so devious that she'll figure that out and stop the LA-landing plan on her own.

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  54. ...can i also say, it's so cool how the writers keep doing shout-outs to the wonderful elevators in Myst computer games. the sounds in the dharma station elevators are perfect! thanks lost!

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  55. ..oh man, i was totally wrong. It is Faraday's voice. :(

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  56. How come no ones mentioned that Chalrotte's final words during the flashes were about not being allowed to eat chocolate? Her first words to farraday while hes warning her not to return. He's trying to save her but he was a pawn in fate again

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  57. and whats up with the promotional video lost producers made with Farraday coaching Chang on what to say??? If farradays dead is that the future, an alternate past?

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  58. re: is the comic con vieo canon:
    from the lostpedia interview part 2 with D&C

    Damon: "I think some people believe that they hear Faraday's voice in the Comic-Con experience. These events are sort of partially canon but more promotional than they are canon. Giving the audience a sneak peak as to what the season is about."

    so... maybe, maybe not.

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  59. It's definitely Miles voice on the comi-con video. I have no doubt on that point. I also think this season has to end with the question of "contants vs variables" still up in the air. Do our characters have free will? In S6 they will discover exactly what the nature of their free will is (and thereby what they have to do to save everyone, including Daniel), and Lost will end when they exercise their free will to break the cycle. But S5 cannot end on that kind of note, so I strongly suspect that by attempting to stop "the Incident" they will only serve to create it.

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  60. HE IS AS DEAD AS BEN WAS. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE DANIEL INSTEAD OF BEN - BEN JUST HAPPENED TO SHOW UP SOONER. DANIEL HAS THE BEST BLOODLINE TO BE THE LEADER OF THE OTHERS, AND COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD SEEMS TO BE A PREREQUISITE FOR ALL OF THE LEADERS OF THE OTHERS.

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  61. Great Posts...

    This is the GREATEST SHOW EVER!!!!


    I still feel its all about BEN and JACk.....

    I also feel Eloise is running her own scheme fam...

    Remember when BEN said "He broke the rules"

    WHAT RULES???

    WHEN WERE RULES CREATED???

    Who is Ilia workign for??

    What about the dudes in the van that grabbed miles??


    These are the things we should consider..

    screw faraday... Sorry Dan fans...

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  62. If they can make jughead blow up, well that will destroy the island totally and everyone on it.
    I doubt the bomb can be blown up, it might be dangerous radiation wise and contain energy, but those bombs have to have a trigger of some kind, they have to be armed to go off. Without that, they are just nasty bundles of radiation oozing. The army may have mounted it on that stand, but there is no evidence that they managed to arm it or set a timer before the Others wiped them out. In fact since it was leaking and had killed one army guy and had damaged an Other, I just don't think it had been armed to explode yet by the military. Daniel being a physicist would know how to arm one and make it explode, but the Island in the form of Mommy Dearest stopped him in his tracks. None of the others have a clue about making a nuclear bomb go boom. Jack may be a doctor but he is not a physicist.
    For a nuclear weapon to explode requires being armed and that sets off a chain reaction leading to the big boom. That is why the so called dirty bombs can be used by terrorists. You can blow one of them up with anything and the result is radiation spread more than destruction.
    So, I doubt the Island will let itself be ruined now. The future will happen as it wants it to. There was a reason for the incident that caused someone to push the button, just as it was fate for Desmond to cause an incident which brought 815 down I still think the Island set this whole thing up many many years ago becasue "it" can see far ahead and far into the past and knows that something must happen..a war...and that all will ultimately maintain the Island.
    Perhaps this "war" that is mentioned is a mini armageddon being set up by the "gods" that are represented on the Island..someone will be the winner and then all will continue on the Island.
    Already everything that could go wrong has gone wrong to prevent anyone from changing the future. Daniel out of commision even if he isn't dead. Jack and Kate in Other's territory and they certainly can't do anything. All the other Losties caught and held by the DI folks. The incident is going to happen.
    Daniel was right about people being the variable that can change something, but that Island has a whole lot of people to be variables and reset everything.

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  63. About the Comic-Con video. I think its perfectly reasonable that this video was shot before the incident, and that the "proven himself to be credible" line refers to something else.

    Also, I think there is plenty of time from the Orchid encounter for Miles and Daniel to meet Chang at his house and get him to record the message.

    Personally, I think the message is transmitted through time via the incident.

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  64. Great episode...I was grinning ear to ear as the episode was airing. Not sure if DF is dead yet...

    If you need to see the comic con video you can find it at You tube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8

    Also, in the video I think there are several people behind the camera. One does sound like Faraday, but I also hear Miles, and Chang clearly says, "LaFluer(sawyer) what are you doing?"
    So that's at least three of the people from the future(if DF is not dead).

    Also those who question why Faraday have the last name he does...check this out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
    Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields.

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  65. I think maybe you all are being somewhat optimistic in regards to the Comic Con video. It was promotional and written before the season was written. They are under no real obligation to follow it strictly and said in that recent interview that it's not canon.

    Faraday is dead.

    I'm very, VERY sad about this, but I accept it.

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  66. Could someone explain to me how Daniel knew Chang was Miles' father?

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  67. Just a thought after Faraday's comment that Jack wasn't supposed to be there (1977) and his talk about the variables. When Ben showed up at the Dharma homes, Sun showed him the picture of the new recruits that included Harley, Jack and Kate. He said he had never seen that picture...yet it was under his nose for 30 years?!

    Good thought, Julie- Anyone else want to comment on this ? oversight or omission?

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  68. Jeff (and Julie): Ben having 'not seen' that photo which was "under his nose" for 30 years is probably due to the fact that he didn't know who they were at the time (though had seen them when he was a kid, obviously, but we don't know yet how much of that he will remember), or didn't think of them as noteworthy any more than the other adults around Dharmaville. He probably didn't know about the island's time travel properties until he was older, and even then probably didn't think to look in the pictures for irregularities anyways. I wouldn't have expected him to look at the picture and know they were there all along.

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  69. If Eloise Hawking knows her son will die on the island because she remembers having killed him in 1977, why doesn't Danielle Russeau remember having met Jin when she and her team arrived to the island???? Can anyone answer this question? I'm afraid it's a mistake. I think there are and will be plenty of mistakes in the story. It's very disappointing. And why didn't Sun travel to the past like the rest of the Oceanic six? Is there a reason for that? Or it is another loose end? Anyway, I still love Lost!

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  70. The comment above is very true, and the only plausible answer is to say that as she descended into insanity her memory deteriorated also.. I know that's definitely not true and the point you make is almost definitely a continuity error, I always like to think there's a bail out for Darlton and co.

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  71. It's not a continuity error until they fill in the blanks. Don't jump to conclusions.

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  72. HORACE WHERE WAS / IS HORACE ? would nt you think he d go to sawyers or be involved in jacks little shoot out ? ?

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  73. I rewatched the scene where Eloise said she would be proud of Daniel if he were to go to the island. It was apparent she is holding back so much pain and sorrow but still trying to smile. Brilliant acting!

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  74. Nick123's 815 opinion Vindicated! The popular opinion that Ben had to do it because Widmore would not need someone to bring this information to him can be explained away without too much trouble. Does anyone think that Widmore would trust this data to anyone other than himself? He needed all of the evidence in his own possession in order to be sure it stayed buried. But Ben grabbed it and most likely killed Felix in the process.

    The test of Miles may have had a dual purpose. It is possible that Widmore wanted to find out whether Felix had the material in his possession at the time he was killed.

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  75. I don't think Daniel is dead at all. I think the "others" will heal him as they did Ben and then he will be technically an "other" and THAT is why he wasn't ever affected by the flashbacks like the other time travelers were. He belonged to the island. The real question is how did he get off the island in the first place? How did Eloise get off the island?

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  76. Is it possible we were watching 2 seperate storylines. The reason I think we might be is Daniel's Jumpsuit kept changing. on the sub Black, in Sawyers House Grey, leaving sawyers Black, talking to Charlotte Grey, etc. 2 timelines happening at the same time maybe good Daniel and evil Daniel?

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  77. What happens with the forum? it wont load!!!



    BTW this episode was awesome... 10/10!

    but wasn't the best episode of Lost this year (There is Jughead, there is TLADOJP...)

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  78. Why Daniel asked to Richard where they buried the bomb they told them to? Richard does not seem to know him, right?

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  79. Sorry, I meant "the bomb HE told them to buried"

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  80. Anyone else find it quite strange that Daniel was grazed on the neck, and commented that no one had seen a scar on his neck before?

    Of course we didn't see one -- he wore a tie every day! Coincidence?

    Also, when Sawyer demanded Daniel give him his shirt that time, Daniel immediatelly changed the subject. Maybe he had neck scars?? Maybe gunshot wounds in the chest?!?

    If not coincidence, what does it mean? That when Daniel (fresh off the freighter) meets the losties that this shooting has already happened? That would mean that he must not be dead and travels back in time at some point to arrive on the freighter. Just a thought...

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  81. What if Richard is traveling backward in time? That's why he doesn't recognize Daniel in 77 but he does in 54. Same with when he meets Locke in the jungle. Also, how did Daniel get off the island after Rachel died? He was separated from the other Losties but never rejoined them. Odd. I think he must survive because we need many more explanations about his variable self.

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  82. Loved the comment about Charles/Charlie being the same person or different incarnations of the same person on different time-lines. The mind boggles.

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  83. What lies in the shadow of the statue? The Jughead. Why? Because Daniel told Ellie in 1954 that they needed to encase the Jughead in concrete.

    The statue was built around the Jughead. Miles was "not ready" to go to the island, because, in my theory, Llana and Bram are there to destroy the island, possibly sent by Eloise, who has some sort of remorse for sending her son back to that place. And it was Ellie who Faraday told to encase the Hydrogen Bomb in concrete, thus, Ellie will know of it, and where it is located.

    Therefore, this can dismiss all Egyptian and Greco theories regarding the statue. Why? Because if you wanted to surround a hydrogen bomb in concrete, what would you form the concrete into? How about an ancient statue, one that no archeologist would allow being destroyed to see whats inside.

    This also can theorise how the stature was destroyed. Jack is on his way now to detonate the Jughead, perhaps he is sucessful?

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  84. I just realized the error in my previous post. If Jack is able to detonate the Jughead (keeping with the theory that it is in the statue) then only a foot remains. Why would Llana and Bram be there to set it off, if it has already been detonated? Yeah, I missed that one. My bad. Any other theories?

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  85. Ryan - I like where you are going with this, but one problem with your statue idea:

    When Sawyer, Miles, Juliet, et al were flashing in and out of different time periods, we saw the many stages of the well which was built over by the Orchid station by Dharma. When they flashed into a time when neither the well nor the Orchid were present - presumably, thus, in the distant past - is when we saw the statue in its entirety. Hence, the statue was built long LONG before the well or Jughead or Dharma.

    I do agree that there may be a connection between Jughead and the statue, and that perhaps Jughead is hidden near/beneath the statue for the reason you suggested: nobody will try to detonate it. But the statue itself was already there. Perhaps the 'incident', as we will see, and the bomb detonation if it occurs, is the reason why only the statue foot is left by the time Oceanic 815 crashes there.

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  86. But we do not know when the well was built. It could have been built after 1954 yet filled before 1977. I find it hard to believe that the writers will have the statue being built LONG before everything else. I think that is what they want us to believe. I think we need ot keep in mind the patterns of flashes. ie. 1954 and 1988 we know for sure.

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  87. Yet we know there is an 'ancient' history to this island with ancient structures - the temple surroundings, the heiroglyphs in the donkey wheel chamber, etc - that must precede everything else, things that were definitely there in the earliest flashbacks we've seen (1954) and most likely far prior, as are the 'others/hostiles' themselves. Why is it so hard to suppose that a statue was one of these structures?

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  88. What if Eloise knew what she did in 1977 and keeps trying to send Dan back to fix it, which entails preventing her from killing him?

    OR

    What if Dan has to die to be a part of the Island team, like Locke. Together with Jack(Jacob?) they can course correct the timeline???!

    Science + Faith is the answer

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  89. Jack = Jacob????

    Someone support this theory....

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  90. I think the statue has been there for a very long time since it probably represents Anubis and Smokie is also his sidekick that judges people. The show can't end with a bomb going off..heck we don't know where the original Others came from. We have a whole other season to enjoy.
    Richard doesn't age but we don't know if he is the walking dead or not. He may well be a god on Earth and the Island was where the gods retreated when the Egyptians were conquered and the old religion abandoned.
    What lies in the shadow? Probably the main opening to the Temple and that is how the Others could always remember how to find it. Who knows..it may even point to a sea cave that leads to the Temple since the statue is on the beach. The only other routes have been vents for Smokie. Only Richard seems able to enter the Temple grounds at will. Maybe the shadow points to a tunnell to use as an alternate escape route.

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  91. So something interesting. Last Saturday night, one of the local channels in my area was showing a rerun of the second season of LOST. It just happened to be the episode where Mr Eko shows Locke the portion of film from the Swan video that had been removed. They add it to the rest of the film, and then proceed to watch it.

    Pretty much the only thing it talks about is the computer that is used to "push the button." It says that you should only use it "push the button" and for nothing else. In fact, Dr Chang actually says that if it is used to communicate with anyone outside of the Swan station, that it will cause another incident to happen. It is moments after that when Michael begins to communicate with Walt, which we all know was most likely a ruse.

    Anyway, I find it interesting that eventually the numbers aren't entered, and the failsafe has to be used to keep the island from blowing up.

    So is this going to be what the incident was like? Also, it seems odd to me that Dr Chang specifically mentioned this caution, and that it was cut out and moved to another station. It kind of makes me think this part of the video was created, and/or edited because of the Losties that are in Dharmaville now. Do you think that they were trying to warn their future selves as to what would happen if they didn't push the button?

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  92. @lance - imho, a more likely purpose for editing the film would be that radzinski was trying to warn them. i believe he was the person who edited them.

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  93. What a disaster has become the series LOST...I mean are the producers for real with the kind of crap they been throwing in the last episodes?? Sayid shooting Ben in the 70´s? Hurley working for Dharma? I think the producers lost it totally, they keep making lame twists to fix it but they keep digging and digging into a huge hole and now its impossible to get out...I think JJ Abrahams should write a book on HOW TO FUCK UP THE BEST TV SERIES EVER IN JUST 2 SEASONS, he manage to accomplish that..Whats up with the SCI-FI crap, having entire episodes boring as hell... I also feel ripped off, when they moved the island they fucked up eveerything... I also want to point out that the last episode of season 3 with Jack and Kate in the first flash foward is the best ending of a series till today with the highest ratings registered... and now look what that fascinating serie turn out to be...I hope they end the show this season, there is no need to drag another season since its obvious what the ending will be, nothing ever happened...the oceanic flight 815 will land in Los Angeles and nothing happened...thanks JJ Abrahams, u are a f****** genious!

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  95. Ben WANTS the island to be blown up...that's why in season two he told Locke the button was a joke

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