Sunday, May 17, 2009

Deconstructing: Jacob's nemesis

Ah. Since the airing of the finale Wednesday night, I have posted four blogs. This will be the fifth since Wednesday, but the aftermath of the finale always poses questions that should be addressed rather soon.

The big question posed by "The Incident," revolved around the dynamic between Jacob and his as-yet unnamed enemy, who we met for the first time (or so it seemed) at the beginning of the episode, and was later revealed to have been a major character on the show since "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham." Talk about plot twist! It was easily the best moment of the show since the beginning of the season, and easily spurned the most questions/theories.

So let's start with the obvious: who is Jacob's nemesis? Well, that's the real question. Even though he's been playing such a huge part in the show since the midpoint of the season, we don't even know his name. He was known in casting as "Samuel," and has gained the fan monikers "Esau," "Flocke," "Un-Locke," and "Mr. X," though I will eat my hat if any of those names are actually correct.

What's more interesting to me is what is he. He's obviously a shape shifter of some sort, and is probably just as powerful (if not more so) than Jacob. Personally, I believe that he is the smoke monster. Why? Well, it's quite easy.

First of all, he changes shape, just like the monster. The monster has manifested as Yemi, Alex, and possibly many more. Each time, the monster only appears as someone who has died, and their body is on the Island. Now, one occurrence is hardly enough to make a trend, but the only person we've seen Jacob's nemesis manifest as is -- Locke, whose body was on the Island after the crash of 316.

My second reason is the monster's motivations seem to match those of Jacob's nemesis. The monster appears to be sort of a judge and jury of the Islanders, forgiving Ben but executing Eko for his sins. In the opening of "The Incident," the nemesis seems quite judgmental toward humanity, stating that it "all ends the same." This parallel between the monster and the nemesis seem to match up well.

Another parallel would be that if the monster manifests as Christian (which seems quite likely, considering that Christian obviously does not speak for Jacob as he claims), they have similar goals. Both Christian and the impostor Locke wanted to make it clear to the real Locke that he had to die ("That's why they call it a sacrifice").

There's also the Clark Kent/Superman dynamic between Locke and the monster. While Ben attempted to summon the monster, the Locke impostor wandered off into the woods. He later returned, stating he knew where the monster lived: the Temple. Once there, despite Ben's pleas, Flocke wandered off. It was only then that Ben met the monster, who strangely enough commanded Ben to listen to Flocke.

It would also explain the black/white parallels between Jacob and the nemesis in the first scene: Jacob was wearing white while the nemesis was wearing black. Does this mean that Jacob might also have a light form, if the nemesis has the black form? Didn't Locke see a beautiful white light during "Walkabout?" We'll investigate that later.

But what about this deadly game between the nemesis and Jacob? Why would anyone wait for two centuries just to find a loophole to kill someone? This loophole certainly reminds me of the rules established between Ben and Widmore in "The Shape of Things to Come." Did Widmore join the side of the nemesis, in order for the "rules" dynamic to be applicable between himself and Ben? Is Widmore to the nemesis what Bram and Ilana are to Jacob?

And what are Jacob and his nemesis competing for? My guess: to prove the other wrong. By killing Jacob through Ben, not only did the nemesis fulfill his wish to kill Jacob, but he also could have proven that humanity is inherently bad. Two birds with one stone?

Whatever the story behind the nemesis is, I want to see a backstory next season. A long, full-episode backstory between himself and Jacob. Titus Welliver, who portrayed him in "The Incident," was really quite good in my opinion, and it'd be a shame for us to see him only once (even though the character is in the overly capable hands of Terry O'Quinn).

So post comments, theorize, and be constructive! Until next time.

102 comments:

  1. I'm pretty sure 'Nemesis' is the smoke monster. i thought about that for a while after the finale and the evidence you brought up that i forgot about reeeeeally makes it seem so.

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  2. Haven't all other human incarnations of the monster seemed a little robotic and stiff?

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  3. I have the same theory about the smoke monster being Jacob's nemesis.

    To me it's really the only thing that makes sense.

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  4. My only qualm with this theory (which is otherwise very sound), is that while on the walk to kill jacob, Flocke stops and talks to Ben. He is genuinely surprised/happy when he finds out that Ben has to obey his every command, even repeating the words to make sure it was finalized! If the smoke monster is Flocke then his "consciousness" would be present in both situations, eliminating his questioning attitude. Perhaps it is merely just Fsurprise as well ahah.

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  5. The only living person that may have been impersonated by smokey was Walt, although he may have been projecting himself.

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  6. I thought about the Nemesis being the smoke monster before and it just makes sense. This article made it even clearer in my mind. Very very interesting... This game is even more interesting. In the earlier seasons backgammon was symbolic, and locke once said it was the oldest game in the world. He was referring to an egyptian game. i wonder if it will hold even more symbolism later. Also, Ben and Widmore's game has to be different, right? because ben seemed to know all about the "rules" of their game, and yet he seems to know nothing about jacob...

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  7. What about if the 'Nemesis' looklike at the beggining of "The Incident" is just another corrupted body. Just like Christian and Locke?

    If this is true, perhaps we will never see Titus Welliver as 'The Nemesis' again...

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  8. I'm pretty sure Jacob and his nemesis are trying to prove the well known debate of Fate vs Free will. Jacob is about free will, telling Hurley and Ben that they have a choice in what they do. However, he touches the 815ers and seems to 'summon' them to the island (as well as the black rock people).

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  9. This body/ form-taking by anti-Jacob might also explain or account for Rousseau's fears about her comrades being "sick" or not themselves from the earlier seasons (and the flashbacks this year).

    This also leads to the question of what happens if/when the body form taken by anti-Jacob is killed a la Robert (R's hubby, assuming he was "sick").

    Perhaps the characters on the beach - Jacob and anti-Jacob - are actually only two random bodies/ forms in the first place? We assume they "are" those bodies from the start but we don't know this for sure.

    If this is the case Ben killing "Jacob" may just force him to adopt another form. Perhaps he had/s another form similar to the smoke monster (assuming anti-Jacob is ol' smokie).

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  10. I also agree with MOST everything in the blog, except for this... I think this episode, the incident is the FIRST we've ever seen Jacob. I believe EVERY other incarnation to be UnLocke. Including... Dave, Kate's Horse, Christian Shepard, etc.

    The kicker? I think the loophole is that The Nemesis has to convince the person to KILL themselves in order to come back as that person and kill Jacob.

    I haven't had a chance to go through and test this theory on previous episodes... but think of the Dave episode in season two... Dave tries his hardest to get Hurley to kill himself... why?

    Christian Shepard and UnLocke (through Richard Alpert) both told Locke HE had to kill himself.

    Interesting connections...

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  11. Here's a thoery about Jacob's enemy: Jacob's enemy is also the Sickness. I believe that Rousseau's expedition team actually died in Smokey's tunnel, and Jacob's enemy morphed into Montand, Robert, et al. and their strange behavior was "the Sickness".

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  12. Has anyone compared the image of the cabin's "help me" resident and that of Jacob's nemesis? The area around the eyes look like they could be similar (assuming that if it really is Jacob's enemy, they're using the same actor).

    I'd be curious to see a side-by-side comparison.

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  13. If Nemesis is Smokie and I feel like he is; I just had a thought.

    Locke met Smoke early in the show in Walkabout. He stood there and let the thing look into him. Then he told Jack that he had "looked" into the island and it was "beautiful" and Locke never feared Smokie and would wander around the Island at will.

    What if...Smokie did kill Locke's soul at that point to possess him and what we have seen all these years is Nemesis? His bumbling around was Smokie getting the "feel" of this new group on the Island and his new form. If Jacob's human form can be killed and can leave the Island to do some touching, what not Flocke? And Ben killed the physical form of Locke and was mighty determined to bring that body back to the Island..makes me think he has really been controlled by Nemesis all along since he did sic him on the Mercenaries.
    When Ben killed Locke and brought him back Nemesis had his perfect form to manipulate Locke to attack Jacob. But..does either of these characters need a physical form to operate? Probably not. Jacob's present now dead form could be someone he took a fancy to centures ago and probably so is Nemesis. If physical Jacob is gone he could wait til "they are coming" and just take over say Hugo since he is the one innocent in the group. Wouldn't that be awesome? Flocke against Hugo for the big war.

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  14. that would make sense joyce... but it depends on your beliefs about the cabin. personally i think that "the nemesis" was somehow jailed by the ring of ash. if that was so, how does that incorporate into this theory?

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  15. I think this is a good theory but I've got some questions.

    What about the Walt vision to Locke while he is in the Dharma mass grave? Is that Jacob's work since Walt isn't dead? What is the work he has to do, if all that stuff was just the Smoke monster's manipulation.

    And if Widmore is aligned with TSM, I find his invasion of the island confusing. Doesn't seem like something TSM would encourage.

    And then all of it (including moving the island, remember it was Christian that told Locke to do it) was a manipulation to do what? Leave the island then come back dead? Alright.

    You may be right about it but a little hard to swallow if you think too much about it.

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  16. I have the same problem as julian with this theory.

    On one side I think nemesis can adopt the for of dead people on the island, and that he was locke and christian... maybe even hugo's mental patient friend... I believe nemesis tries to bring out the worst in people... and he is the sickness... that evil...

    Jacob on the other hand being some kind of god (both are) is more on the good sacrificing side. I think it was jacob who spoke to ben as alex... I think jacob wanted to be killed by ben... cause why would he tease him when ben, open hearted, confronted him?!

    The surprise that locke shows when he learns that ben will obey him no matter what is sincere... he truly has no idea of this... and in alex was the smoke monster then nemesis cant be the smoke monster... although is funny how the smoke was when locke wasnt around!.

    I think maybe the smoke might be some kind od judge between jacob and nemesis... mayube triing to fix when their game goes to far maybe... Im not sure... But locke's surprise to ben words is weird... it wouldnt add up.

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  17. You have a good theory man.

    I don't think there will be back-story until Season 6 Ep2 or later.

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  18. Running with the idea that Jacob will need a new body to take the form of...Could that possibly be what Frank Lapidus is a candidate for?

    I have a concern with JAck and the rest of the 70's people being the ones Jacob refers to as "they'r coming". All of their stories have been drawn so far away from what has been going on in the modern time that it will take a lot of time to explain to them what is going on. Basically...Are they supposed to show up and know what to do, who to fight, etcetera?

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  19. in season 1 episode 10 claire had a nightmare where locke was shown having one black eye and one white eye. would not be interesting if Jacob somehow possed the dead body of the real locke on the beach. leaving the final season about good vs evil locke with everyone caught in between.

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  20. My biggest question is why did the smoke monster kill the pilot of the plane in the 2nd (3rd) episode of the series? Also, what has Sun got to do with this? She is the only O6 member who didn't go back to '77. Another thing is Walt? He must figure in someway. I feel sad that Locke's character may have been influenced from the beginning. People with broken backs don't walk. He really id the impotent, nerd, loser who got defenistrated by his father.

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  21. Well, the only problem I see in the theory is that when Sun and Lapidus met Christian in Dharmaville, FLocke was on the beach eating a mango.

    And I genuinely think that the nemesis was trapped in the cabin by the circle of ashes. And he was the one who asked for help. How could he be TSM, which has been active since before Rousseau's expedition and, for us, since the pilot, if he was stuck inside.

    Maybe he can CONTROL TSM

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  22. Well, the only problem I see in the theory is that when Sun and Lapidus met Christian in Dharmaville, FLocke was on the beach eating a mango.

    And I genuinely think that the nemesis was trapped in the cabin by the circle of ashes. And he was the one who asked for help. How could he be TSM, which has been active since before Rousseau's expedition and, for us, since the pilot, if he was stuck inside.

    Maybe he can CONTROL TSM

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  23. @Peffe - But Locke didn't kill himself.

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  24. @Gustavo - What point are you making about the mango? We saw Jacob eating at the start of the incident ...

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  25. I went back and read the episode summary for "Raised by Another S01E10)" based upon Anon's comment about Locke's eyes (one black and one white).

    Creepy but very cool.

    Season 6 is going to be Jacob-Locke vs. Nemesis-Locke!!!!!

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  26. I just noticed something that may be interesting. When Lianna people were lugging the crate to the cabin..one of them made a point of telling Frank that "we're the good guys" at which time Frank said..anyone that goes out of their way to say they're good guys..arent' good guys.
    Everyone one of those people are wearing black. Doesn't that mean that they are part of the Nemesis bunch?

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  27. I'm getting confused again..wasn't Jacob trapped in the cabin? Are is memory just making me think all these years that it was Jacob. I can't remember if anyone besides Ben ever said Jacob was in that cabin..so
    It was the Nemesis trapped all along? I love this show, but it is twisty as hell.

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  28. Thanks for the comments everyone. I need ya'll to keep me grounded. When we think together we can get all the story lines in order.

    If I were trapped on that island I would have done a Rose/Bernard and stayed out of all of them's way.

    We all have good ideas, but we can never puzzle out what the writers/creators are going to do next. That is the fun of this show.

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  29. In 3x20, "Jacob" in the cabin seems to wear dark clothes and Jacob is supposed to live "In the Shadow of the Statue" so it may be the nemesis, since he asked Locke help and three years later took his body. I also think that Christian could be the Nemesis, because he convinced Locke to die...

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  30. Love your recap but I'm afraid I don't agree that the nemesis is the smoke monster. We don't KNOW that it was the smoke monster manifesting as the dead characters we have seen - I think we're in agreement that this WAS the nemesis all along but I believe the smoke monster to be a seperate entity. It makes more sense to me to have white (Jacob) black (nemesis) and something neutral in the middle i.e. smokey. A judge and executioner but with no investment or bias towards either side. My guess is that in this great 'game' between Jacob and Nemesis, the smoke monster is more of a referee or perhaps a force to help maintain balance. We shall see...

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  31. Hmmm.
    Christian is the key to all of this in terms of what he has done. To consider whether he has something to do with the Nemesis, then we have to consider how every action he has done benefitted the Nemesis. SUch as appearing to Michael just before the boat blew up. Why would Michael's presence on the boat benefit the bad guy? Michael was there because of Ben and isn't Ben acting in accordance with Jacob's wishes.
    Also I don't think Christian ever said Locke had to kill himself, just that he had to make a sacrifice. Richard never said Locke had to kill himself either. Just that he had to die. Suicide ain't got nothing to do with it.

    Consider this: Jacob is the bad guy. On the beach, the Nemesis was the one who believed people to be inherently bad - he seemed to want them to be that way of their own accord, but it was Jacob who appears to control their actions. He touched all the 816ers in a possible way to control their actions and he obviously brought the Blackrock to the island. But the Nemesis appears to be more interested in free will, it's just that he thinks humans use free will to be naughty little monkeys.

    Jacob appeared to cause the death of Nadia, provided Sawyer with a pen so he could write his revenge letter that encouraged his downfall, and brought Locke back to life. WHy would he do that if he knew Locke would kill him? He should be omniscient after all.

    Unless...off island Jacob is actually the Nemesis. The whole duality of man thing. One form, two natures. In the real world at least.

    Nothing in LOST is ever what it first appears, and I think that is true for the implication that Jacob is good and the Nemesis is evil. Just because they're wearing different clothes and the Nemesis kills Jacob. Doesn't necessarily make the dude evil.

    And back to Christian - he told Locke that he himself had to move the island. If Locke had immediately obeyed, he never would have been told by Richard that he had to die and he probably never would have been allowed back on the island - just as Ben and Widmore have not. So if Christian is the Nemesis, then why would he have wanted Locke off the island? AND WHY IS CLAIRE WITH HIM?

    One final thing: does anyone else think that Jacob wasn't actually dead when Locke kicked him in the fire? Which means, Locke was the one who killed him...

    Geez, this is pretty long.

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  32. I agree with a lot of your assertions Nikki. My only question is how CLAIRE fits into all of this. If Christian is the nemesis, why does he hold Aaron in order to lure Claire?

    Obviously, there's talk that Claire is in fact dead, but I still don't understand why he needs Claire. Of course, since the actress is slated to come back, it could all be explained.

    I would also love to see you detail how all of Christian's appearances match the nemesis's ultimate goal of killing Jacob and finding a loophole.

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  33. I agree with Josie....I think the smoke monster is some kind of neutral force that we have been lead to believe has been posing as dead people all along when in fact it was the nemesis.

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  34. I think 'Nemesis' isn't able to kill Jacob and that's why he let Ben do the work for him. That's why he said (i don't know the exact words): 'you know i want to kill you right now? I'll find my loophole'? If he was able to kill him, he would've done it a long time ago.

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  35. Great thoughts about Smokey. I'm still working that out in my head, but I'm working off a slightly different idea where Jacob and the nemesis are gods, not men, and Jacob could be the bad guy. I try to detail it here http://rob.orangejack.com/2009/05/17/could-jacob-be-the-bad-guy/

    Ever since that opening scene, I've been hooked onto these two guys. I really think it is a crucial scene to the entire series.

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  36. I don't think Jacob and the other man are enemies. I think the other man wanted to kill Jacob because Jacob has phoenix-like characteristics, and his death (by fire) would cleanse and "re-boot" the Island. Simeon Hobbes mention Phoenixes and the Bennu bird, an Egyptian version of the Phoenix.
    Epithet Alpha also posted a code which translated into "And With This Fire I Purify".

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  37. Fake Locke is not Smokey, for three reasons:

    1) Fake Locke was genuinely surprised when Ben told him about the orders he got from Smokey
    2) Ben, who is an Other, went to be judged by Smokey. Since, the Others are Jacob's people, it would make no sense for him to be judged by Anti-Jacob. Smokey is a judge or referee, he is neither light nor dark, and he can appear as such to different people
    3) Fake Locke appeared on Hydra island; this would entail Smokey leaving the main island and traveling over water which has never happened before.

    Christian isn't Smokey either.

    1) Unlike fake Locke, his coffin was empty.
    2) What possible motivation would anti-Jacob have to help Sun by showing him the picture? It is not like Sun helped Locke in any way.

    Here is what's going on:

    - Anti-Jacob was imprisoned in the Cabin with the salt. He appeared to Locke, Ben, and Hurley, spooking them.
    - Anti-Jacob left the Cabin when someone broke the circle of ash.
    - Christian and Claire, who are on Jacob's side moved into the Cabin to tell Locke to move the Island, and thus bring the O6 back.

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  38. I'm actually not at all surprised on the listing of Samuel, who coincidentally was a judge & high priest in the bible.

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  39. 2 important points:

    1) Locke's body was in the coffin but Christian's was not. Locke did not kill himself but Christian mosty likely did (alcohol and pills). Perhaps only suicides can be re-animated by the Nemesis (i.e. Christian) whereas murdered people (Locke) are innocent (so he has to impersonate them).

    2) When Jacob "taunts" Ben with "What ABOUT you?" that seems to imply "What is it about you that would make me not want to let you see me?" a) he's a murderer, but more important b) he was not born on the island. This is something Ben always lies about and is ashamed of.

    PS - I agree that the Alex who told Ben to obey Locke/Flocke could have been Jacob b/c this would explain Flocke's suprise later. It shows that Jacob is one-upping the Nemesis but the Nemesis is too arrogant to see it.

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  40. My friends and I came up with the same theory...we call him Smokey Locke!

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  41. I like what Peffe said about Richard Alpert. Maybe the reason Alpert does not age is because he is the nemesis too, only an image taken on by Smokey.

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  42. I know the Smokey = No Name is a popular theory, and many people say that because Ben went to call Smokey but then Locke came walking out of the jungle so it seemed like Ben did not really do anything at all. HOWEVER, think a little further back to when Ben supposedly called Smokey on Keamy's men...it seemed that Ben had control of Smokey then. So how could Ben have control over this No Name Nemisis sometimes but not other times?

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  43. Re Peffe: Well actually, if you remember, the only reason Richard Alpert told Locke he had to kill himself is because Un-Locke told him to (when Locke had been shot and came out of the trees...)!

    I think Richard (or Ricardos) arrived on that armada ship we saw at the beginning of the episode and has since been Jacob's loyal servant, with Jacob keeping him young so he can serve him for all time. The nemesis tricked Richard into believing Un-Locke was their new leader, as he tricked everyone else.

    What would be interesting to find out is what the Latin translation is of when Richard replied to "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" near the end of the episode.

    With regards the smoke monster/nemesis same thing/different entity debate, well each is equally plausible so lets leave that up to the writers!

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  44. Richard's reply to What lies in the shadow of the statue translates as "The one who will save us all"

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  45. If the smoke monster took the shape of dead people on the island then how is the appearance of Ben's mother possible as she did not die on the island. I think the smoke monster can take the shape of the person being thought of.

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  46. willitbejackorsawyer!?Mon May 18, 10:54:00 AM EDT

    What if there are actually three different entities on the island. If you look at the black/white page (that lists all the black/white appearances on the show), there are a few instances when red also appears along side (on the raft at the end of season 1).

    Could it be, as some are saying, that there are really three entities? Is there Jacob, Anti-Jacob, and the Island? Maybe the smoke monster is to the Island as Richard is to Jacob.

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  47. Have anyone ever thought if Jacob and his Nemesis are the same "entity"?

    Two sides of a same consciousness...

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  48. people seem pretty sure that Flocke is smokey, and it seems to be that way from the evidence in the post.
    but what about the moment when Ben tells Flocke that he is completely under command because his dead daughter told him to follow Locke or she would "destroy" him, Locke seemed slightly surprised at this, i know its the tiniest bit of evidence against the Flocke theory but it shows that we cant be 100% yet

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  49. love this show. here's my take on the loophole. locke had to die because by then being 'reborn', flocke could then gain credibility in ben and richard's eyes and give them assurance that he's in tight with the island. the loop hole is twofold. with that cred, richard, who's one of, if not the only, sole guardians of jacob and his dwelling place, trusted flocke enough to open the foot. secondly, ben saw it as proof that he really did need to listen to flocke and consequently stab jacob. i think everything jacob's been doing is to pull back the A team to the island so they can change history by blowing up the magnetic anomaly, so the nemesis' whole plan won't happen and locke won't even come to the island to convince ben to kill him.
    also in general i always see the biblical parallels. i'm no religious expert, but jacob, like God, is all about choice to do good or bad, and wants to see humans try over and over again. whereas nemesis is more like the fallen angel, who thinks humans are inherently bad and shouldn't pollute heaven (the island), and who wants to knock god off his thrown.

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  50. Perhaps instead of looking at the theme of LOST as good versus evil, we look at the central theme as a triad. There have been many references of fate (destiny) versus free will. If we look at the island being the home of the Fates, we have three powerful entities; any one of them can not kill the other two.
    The Fates have the subtle but, awesome power of deciding a man’s destiny. They assign a man to be good or evil. The most obvious choice is choosing how long a man lives. There are three Fates. Clotho, the spinner, who spins the thread of life. Lachesis, the measurer, who chooses the lot in life one will have and measures off how long it is to be. Atropos, she who can not be turned away, who at death with her shears cuts the thread of life.
    The Fates are old and predate the gods. It is not entirely clear how far their power extends. It is possible that they determine the fate of the gods as well. In any case, not even the most powerful is willing to trifle with them.
    We can place:
    Jacob’s nemesis as Clotho, the spinner, who spins the thread of life. Her Roman equivalent was Nona (the 'Ninth'), who was originally a goddess called upon in the ninth month of pregnancy. If the nemesis is imprisoned in the cabin surrounded by the circle of ash, the woman on the island could not give birth successfully.
    Jacob or Richard as Lachesis, the measurer, who chooses the lot in life one will have and measures off how long it is to be. We have seen Jacob and/or Richard touching or handing significant items to various central characters which later draw them to the Island. Richard seems to be testing them for some purpose while Jacob allows them free will to change or continue on the path that will bring them to the island. Perhaps Richard is acting on Jacob’s orders and performs the tests as a confirmation of that character’s fate/destiny.
    The Smoke Monster as Atropos, the one who can not be turned away, who at death cuts the thread of life with shears. Her Roman equivalent was Morta. Atropos was the oldest of the Three Fates, and was known as the "inflexible" or "inevitable." It was Atropos who chose the mechanism of death and ended the life of each mortal by cutting their thread with her "abhorred shears." We have seen the Smoke Monster select certain individuals at specified times to die. Both John Locke and Eko encountered the Smoke Monster and were allowed to live. Eko was later killed by it.

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  51. For those of you arguing that Locke may have been animated from the beginning since he was paralyzed... the Island obviously does have healing properties, no matter who - Jacob or Nemesis - is there. Rose told Bernard that she had "a year, maybe a little more". She's been there for over three years now. The healing properties remain. Locke has walked from the beginning. This is "the miracle" he speaks of.

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  52. I'm still trying to get this answered. Has anyone seen this before? I stumbled upon it and would like to know if this has been around. Anyone?


    http://www.onentofl.com/magnushanso.html

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  53. The smoke monster could DEFINITELY be Jacobs nemesis...Everyone I've been talking to thinks the same thing! idk what else it could be.
    Al Trautwig talks about it here too: Al's Lost Thoughts

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  54. I couldnt help but notice that there has always been two different sides on the island. starting with Jacob/nemisis, to Others/U.S. soldiers, to Others/Dharma, to Others/815, to now Others/316.

    When looking back to the episode where Ben goes to be judged, he's looking at the hieroglyphics and see's a picture of smokie and the statue apparently fasing off. Since then ive believed that they are the two sides, and Jacob/smokie vs Nemisis/statue(w/e it is that the statue represents). and since Jacob is in control he is living in his conquered nemisis' symbol, hence there only being a foot left of the statue.

    Flocke mentions to Richard that he wants to go and 'thank' jacob for bringing him back to the island. Flocke implies here that b/c of somthing that Jacob has done, He was allowed to take the body of Locke and cometo the island and to kill Jacob. Flocke also says that after they 'thank' Jacob, they need to take care of the Ajira flight ppl. Meaning that the ajira people are indeed on Jacob's side and also taht Widmore is not on Jacob's side. When Widmore sent (her name escapes me) to recruit Miles to join their team, MIles is kidnapped by the same guy who is with Llana on the island now, telling him not to go on Widmore's team, b/c he's the 'bad guy', implying that any side not allied with Jacob is the wrong side.

    These are just a few things ive noticed and throwing out there.

    PS Favorite part was Sun finding Charlie's ring =D , he was definatly one of my favorite characters.

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  55. It seems to me to be much like a piece of Greek mythology..2 people (demi-gods/brothers) stuck on an island where neither can kill the other as you have the smoke monster to intervene/punish the other.

    One is good, the other evil (hence Jacob wearing white and the nemesis wearing black in the opening scene). One believes humanity is all about free will and admires it, the other hates humanity and believes it to be corrupt and violent.

    I really think the 2 (brothers, say) play games trying to prove the other wrong..hence Jacob visiting all the characters earlier on picking his cast for the game..then you have 2 groups on an island (the others, who might be descendants of Richard - Ricardos - Alpert, a possible survivor of the last game played between the 2 brothers when he arrived on the spanish ship at the beginning of the episode, now Jacob's loyal servant, an example of the 'good' side of humanity; versus the new group (shipwreck in one case/plane crash in another...)or in the previous 30 years the others versus the Dharma initiative).

    There appears to be one 'correct' ending to the games which has never happened yet (if you listen to the conversation between Jacob and the nemesis at the beginning, the nemesis says "it always ends the same"..Jacob roughly replies "there hasn't been an ending yet only progress"..i.e. he is getting closer to the correct ending proving his nemesis wrong!

    As a subplot the nemesis is trying to kill Jacob and has succeeded by finding his 'loophole' in the form of a willing killer (Ben). The nemesis only has corporeal form when he takes the appearance of a dead body on the island (Christian, Claire, Ben's daughter etc) and so gets Locke's body back to the island so as to trick everyone there. He may have even sent the rest of the cast (Jack et al) back in time to get them out of his way (though this bit is probably far-fetched..). He was probably imprisoned/living in that cabin in some form leading ppl (apart from Richard) to believe he was actually Jacob.

    Finally, I think the people who Jacob claims "are coming" are the rest of the characters coming back to the present.

    Soooo unless Jacob is reincarnated in some form, it should be the major characters versus the nemesis (non-locke) with possibly Ben siding with the nemesis.

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  56. Here's an interesting one: if Flocke can appear as any dead body on the island will he pretend to be Jacob in the next season to fool Richard (the only living person that knows what Jacob looks like)?!

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  57. Peffe, you said something about Dave being the smoke monster.. I remember Darlton saying in a podcast that Dave was indeed Hurley's imagination. Though it's a pity, cos you were making alottaaa sense

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  58. For people who think that John is the Smoke Monster, JOHNSTER is clearly the best name..

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  59. In Chinese mythology, the phoenix represents the union of the yin and the yang. I think in Season Six of LOST we will see the yin (black) unite with the yang (white) to form a new being that will resolve the conflict that has been on the Island for so many years. Yin is black, female, receptive, yielding, negative, and nurturing. It is associated with night, valleys, rivers, streams, water, metal, and earth. Yang is white, male, active, dominating, positive, and initiating/creating. Yang is associated with day, mountains, hills, fire, wood, and air. The concept of "unity in duality" arises in many faiths and philosophies such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, and Buddhism.
    Though the yin and yang are opposing forces, the yin and yang are rooted together.
    Since yin and yang are created together in a single movement, they are bound together as parts of a mutual whole. A race with only men or only women would disappear in a single generation, but men and women together create new generations that allow the race they mutually create (and mutually come from) to survive. The interaction of the two gives birth to things. Some event on the Island has stopped this process which needs to be restored.

    The yin and yang are balanced. Yin-yang is a dynamic equilibrium. Because they arise together they are always equal: if one disappears, the other must disappear as well, leaving emptiness. This is rarely immediately apparent, though, because yang elements are clear and obvious while yin elements are hidden and subtle.
    The yin and yang is a universal way of describing the interactions and interrelations of the natural forces that do occur in the world. It applies as well to social constructions - e.g. value judgments like good and evil, rich and poor, honor and dishonor - yet it is often used in those contexts as a warning, since by its principles extreme good will turn to evil, extreme wealth to poverty, extreme honor to dishonor.
    The dharma group uses I Ching, a form of the yin and yang (The yin and yang are represented by broken and solid lines), for the symbols of its various stations and on its food items and other associated belongings. There are 64 numbers in the I Ching. All six of the mysterious numbers:
    4 8 15 16 23 42 are included. I wonder since there will be six seasons of LOST, if each of the mysterious numbers is the central theme for one of each of the six seasons.

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  60. Don't forget that Smoke monster doesn't seem to be around in the seventies, therefore it is possible that the Incident either creates or awakens it.

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  61. when richard walked into the darmha camp he said the fence might be able to keep some 'things' out... i presume he ment the monster.
    so i'd say it does exist in the 70's.

    when jacob toched loacke he said something like iam sorry, everything will be ok i promise. up to now johns life looks shit, mapitulated by everybody, maybe the everything will be ok bit is after. so iam open to the good loche bad loche possibility. what does waring green signafiy?

    i don't think the monster is the nemises. it's consequence the others appear to be the act.


    if juliet can wear a red shirt and live in the next season would this turn our black shirt white shirt comprehenshion of good and evil on it's head?

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  62. So, when Charlie and all the other dead people who visit Hurley are talking with him are they actually the Nemesis/Smoke Monster/Jacob? Is there a place where the conversations Hurley's had with these people are all listed together? I think Hurley is the key member of the O6.

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  63. Jacob is Lucifer aka the devil,Satan,Baphomet and that guy who made Ben kill him and throw him in fire is God!
    Lost creators believe in theosophy..that God is actually bad(!) and wants our doom and Lucifer is the one that wants to save us all!!
    Locke is indeed Christ and works for Him but those who proved his resurrection a fraud are the Illuminati and they will help us save Jacob by changing the past with a help of a new messiah, the Antichrist!!
    The last episode was the scenario of John's Revelation! Humans chose war and destruction!
    The Final season will be the triumph of Lucifer and reason..a great propaganda of the New World Order!
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  64. OK I just watched the two parter again and saw even more stuff to make me ponder.

    When Jacob saw Ben staring at his tapestry I realized that it is a group of people looking up. You can't see what they are looking at but there are "rays" beaming down on them such as Ra the sun god.

    Iliana's group: She is wearing a red shirt under her vest. One of her group is wearing a red shirt also. There seems to be one in a light colored shirt, but she and Bram are basically wearing black.
    Perhaps she will die sometime in next years shows, and the other red shirt is gonna die quick. But if Black is the color of the bad guys then her group are the bad guys just like Frank said.

    Locke like Anonymous says is wearing a greenish/gray shirt always. Richard always wears black shirts.
    Jack seems to wear black a lot and his DI suit is black here. James is always in light colors.
    Are we getting a hint here that just cause they seem to be good, some of them really aren't?
    I have a confession to make..I have always been fond of the Ben character..he has seemed to get beat out of the good life no matter how hard he trys. And doesn't he always wear light colors? Juliet has always came across as a sneak even when declaring undying love and ending up at the bottom of the drill hole.

    All of you guy's theories are real possibilities and only time will tell what is really gonna happen. I am still leaning toward the Egyptian ideas though. Even when it seems the show is leaning to the right and being religious I keep thinking "hey these are hollywood types and not known for their being Bibically inclined.

    Being called Ricardos is a zinger which means maybe that ship wasn't the Black Rock at at all, but just one of many groups brought to the Island for the games of good and bad. If it sailed up to the Island then how did it wind up in the jungle? Richard's model didn't really remind me of the Black Rock much. He was probably making a model of the ship he was on.

    Perhaps the Others are just a bunch of different people from different times that have been collected by the Island. Do they seem to never age like Richard?
    Maybe the ones on Jacob's famous lists are what the Island considers good and allowed to live.
    Isn't it odd that Rose/Bernard have lived there without being found or bothered by the Island for over 3 years? With the intense searching by James it would be hard to hide that cabin they built and their homestead from a good search. Methinks the Island just likes having them around.

    Sorry if this seems random but all this came to me from rewatching the show tonight. I hope ya'll can help clear my thinking up on these points.

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  65. I am so surprised that so many people think that Jacob is the good guy. I thought it was pretty obvious that he was bad- he keeps bringing people to the island just for kicks to watch them destroy each other. I know he was wearing white, but still.

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  66. Oh, and also, I thought one kind of poetic thing about this episode was how much Ben looked like "Henry." He was all scared and scratched up and wide-eyed the first time we saw him, and now that he's no longer one step (or ten) ahead of everyone, he seems like a shivering little rat again!

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  67. I agree that the nemesis does take on the forms of dead people on the island, but how does it work when off island. When the oceanic six went back, jack met christian and hurley met anna lucia and charlie. How does that work then.... I also think that the white flash at the end of series five was not the bomb going off but the island moving again due to the antics of richard and eloise. The incident is the release of electro magnetic energy not the total destruction of the island, the swan was built and radinsky did stay in the swan and write on the blast door. The show can go anywhere in time now.

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  68. I agree that the nemesis does take on the forms of dead people on the island, but how does it work when off island. When the oceanic six went back, jack met christian and hurley met anna lucia and charlie. How does that work then.... I also think that the white flash at the end of series five was not the bomb going off but the island moving again due to the antics of richard and eloise. The incident is the release of electro magnetic energy not the total destruction of the island, the swan was built and radinsky did stay in the swan and write on the blast door. The show can go anywhere in time now.

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  69. quick notes:

    I agree with Joyce and have the same feeling about Juliet.

    Did Juliet say she used to be an OTHER when James asked her about how she knew Latin.?
    I do recall her saying that Latin was "the language of the Enlightened" as in The Others are the Enlightened Good Guys.

    It looks like in the 70s babies were able to be born.

    Jacob offers his opposite fish in the beginning of the episode.

    It would be interested to know how many religions they draw from. I see Buddhism / Hinduism, Christianity, Egyptianism? and the modern day religion of science.


    Rose/Bernard are black and white and they talked about peace and beautiful music was playing in the background :-) They also said something similar to.. you have been here 3 years and already are looking for ways to kill yourself..not word for word but you get the idea. If the big block buster ending is that these 2 oldies are sitting on the other side of the statue living in harmony black and white together etc..I am going to throw up from the cheese :-)..Just kidding but this scene pretty much is what the show is getting to and is the core...Harmony, Dualities, Yin and Yang, The TAO...


    I think Locke pronounced Lock is actually Loki pronounced Lo kee
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki


    I found it interested how Locke/Loki convinced Ben to Kill Jacob. In a nutshell he basically describes Faith and The Man/Women...

    Example...Ben receives orders/instructions from a piece of a paper equals The Bible or Religious Texts. He follows for the good of the Island.


    What does Ben get in return for his faith? Cancer and his daughter gets killed. These are life's circumstances and within that Faith has to remain strong but it is within these moments that a person is more vulnerable to outside influence.

    When Ben asks to see Jacob essentially for validation or proof as when we ask our personal deity for proof. Show me a sign etc..What does Ben get? No answer because the Faith has to be within you.

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  70. good blog but 1 problem, when ben told evil locke what had happened in the temple, evil locke looked surpirsed, surely he would have know this if he was the smoke monster

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  71. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_Concerning_Human_Understanding

    I found this on Wikipedia. Very interesting. The next one is also very interesting. Has references to people named Hobbes and Rousseau. Hmmm. A link from this page will take you to the first where you will also see John Locke referenced from the 17th century.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_rasa

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  72. I agree. I definitely think he's the smoke monster, hence why he saved Ben during the judgement process, so that he could use Ben to kill Jacob.

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  73. What thoughts do you guys have on Iliana?

    Didn't that little hospital whatever remind you of the one in Tunisia where Locke was? And she was still wearing gauze on her arm on the Island. Could she have got sucked off the Island at some timepoint and get dumped in the desert in present day? And really we don't know when she was there or when Jacob visited her.

    Another thought. We have had 3 strong women characters who are also foreign who appear at certain important times on the Island. Ana Lucia, Naomi, and now Iliana who all get killed off after they do whatever it is the Island wants from them. Seems to be a theme to me.

    Like Anonymous said, she told people that she was an "Other" and that's how she knew Latin. First I don't think someone brought to the Island like she was is a true Other by anyone's standards do ya'll? She was brought by Ben, just like DI brought people to do certain jobs. Ben never did go native did he? He liked the comforts of DI and the perks.

    Plus she was a Dr. and I believe part of their training includes Latin doesn't it? Or one can take a Latin course in school. It doesn't mean she learned it in three years on the Island. In school we could take either Spanish or Latin for our language requirement. I wish now I had gone with the Latin.

    I really don't care if she did die since I never liked the character she portrayed.

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  74. Don't forget about the instances when we've seen Jack's father that the smoke has also been present. It was there when Jack first saw him on the island, it was there when his father saw him in the lobby of the building (smoke alarm was going off), it came through the door as he spoke to Sun and the pilot at the dharma camp, and I'm sure that it appears in other instances that I'm forgetting.

    Phil Tittola

    Being that Nemesis can take other forms, could it be that he's taken the form of every dead person we've seen on the island?

    Also, before "Jacob's Cabin" is burned down, they seem to make it a point to hold the shot on the painting on the floor. They also made it a point to show the same painting when Hurley stumbled upon the cabin. The painting seems to be of a dog. Could Jacob take the form of animals -- i.e. Vincent?

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  75. how do you know that locke is actually jacob's nemesis?where,when,how did it happen?and if it is true.does this mean that john locke is really dead?please answer me.i beg u!!!

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  76. Anonymous above me: Did you even watch the finale?

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  77. The Nemesis says "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" This is an odd line.

    First, it kind of kills the (otherwise very nice) 3 Fates theory. Same goes for the Yin/Yang. All of these forces depend on each other.

    It also somewhat kills the Jacob/Esau theory as they were more rivals for their father's affection, not necessarily murderous.

    All I can think is the Buddhist saying "If you meet the Buddha, kill him," which means that Buddha is supposed to be internal to every human being, and anyone claiming sole ownership of that title is false.

    That definitely gels with the overall theme of "the island" and its magical powers. Everyone (Jacob included) from Ben to Widmore to Dharma wants to control the island, but that is impossible.

    So maybe some are just more adept at surviving than others, traversing time, manipulating people, etc, but in the end no one will "win."

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  78. I know this is not exactly on topic, but are we to think that ben does not kill his father after all, since things are now "Changed?" Has there already be a discussion of this?

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  80. I agree with most of what you've said, but I think there are a couple fallacies. You said:

    "The monster appears to be sort of a judge and jury of the Islanders, forgiving Ben but executing Eko for his sins."

    No. Much more likely that the smoke monster is looking into people's hearts and keeping them alive based on their propensity to be manipulated.

    If you'll recall, he liked what he saw in the trusting patsy Locke in the Pilot, just after it killed the airline pilot. Ben as a selfish manipulator is easily manipulated. But not even the saintly brother of Ecko could convince him that he was a sinner. No, Ecko was not killed because he was a sinner. He wasn't. Echo did what he had to in order to save people from a terrible world. His last words to his specter brother, in escalating rage, were, "Who are you?" He was killed because he was catching on to the ruse.

    Secondly, Jacob can be seen. That's proved. We have yet to see that Anti-Jacob can be seen by anyone but immortals. Better to assume he's a specter (and therefore has to inhabit dead bodies to communicate). So at least one possible scenario is that AJ, tired of the island reruns of banality and violence, can't leave until his physical friend no longer has a body...and dead bodies can't act or kill.

    Maybe they are two halves of the same God... both would explain why he can't kill him with his own hand. We just don't know enough yet:)

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  81. I Ben has compared Locke with Moses? For sure it wasn't unintentional, do you agree?

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  82. Th free will vs fate would be a great theory if both didn't knew the rules of the game, but they both know how it will end, the midle it's just progress, so they both belive in predefined lines for our lives.

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  83. please answer my questions.i beg you

    1.how r u guys sure that jacob's nemesis is in the form of locke?how did he took locke's boy?

    2.is locke really dead?

    3.who r the ppl in the black rock?

    4.what makes jacob so powerful?

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  84. i believe it all goes back to the gods of ancient egypt, the legend of Osiris in particular.. sorry i know its a little long but it all fits in... i believ Jacob and his nemesis are Set and Horus.. plz read and let me know what u guys think...
    in the Golden Age when the gods walked upon the earth with us. Know then that in those ancient days, Osiris the great-grandson of Ra sat upon the throne of the gods, ruling over the living world as Ra did over the gods. He was the first Pharaoh, and his Queen, Isis, was the first Queen. They ruled for many ages together, for the world was still young and Grandmother Death was not as harsh as she is now.
    His ways were just and upright, he made sure that Maat remained in balance, that the law was kept. And so Maat smiled upon the world. All peoples praised Osiris and Isis, and peace reigned over all, for this was the Golden Age.
    Yet there was trouble. Proud Set, noble Set, the brother of Osiris, he who defended the Sun Boat from Apep the Destroyer, was unsettled in his heart. He coveted the throne of Osiris. He coveted Isis. He coveted the power over the living world and he desired to take it from his brother. In his dark mind he conceived of a plot to kill Osiris and take all from him. He built a box and inscribed it with wicked magic that would chain anyone who entered it from escaping.
    Set took the box to the great feast of the gods. He waited until Osiris had made himself drunk on much beer, then challenged Osiris to a contest of strength. Each one in turn would enter the box, and attempt, through sheer strength, to break it open. Osiris, sure in his power yet feeble in mind because of his drink, entered the box. Set quickly poured molten lead into the box. Osiris tried to escape, but the wicked magic held him bound and he died. Set then picked up the box and hurled it into the Nile where it floated away.
    Set claimed the throne of Osiris for himself and demanded that Isis be his Queen. None of the other gods dared to stand against him, for he had killed Osiris and could easily do the same to them. Great Ra turned his head aside and mourned, he did not stand against Set.
    This was the dark time. Set was everything his brother was not. He was cruel and unkind, caring not for the balance of Maat, or for us, the children of the gods. War divided Egypt, and all was lawless while Set ruled. In vain our people cried to Ra, but his heart was hardened by grief, and he would not listen.
    Only Isis, blessed Isis, remembered us. Only she was unafraid of Set. She searched all of the Nile for the box containing her beloved husband. Finally she found it, lodged in a tamarisk bush that had turned into a mighty tree, for the power of Osiris still was in him, though he lay dead. She tore open the box and wept over the lifeless body of Osiris. She carried the box back to Egypt and placed it in the house of the gods. She changed herself into a bird and flew about his body, singing a song of mourning. Then she perched upon him and cast a spell. The spirit of dead Osiris entered her and she did conceive and bear a son whose destiny it would be to avenge his father. She called the child Horus, and hid him on an island far away from the gaze of his uncle Set.
    She then went to Thoth, wise Thoth, who knows all secrets, and implored his help. She asked him for magic that could bring Osiris back to life. Thoth, lord of knowledge, who brought himself into being by speaking his name, searched through his magic. He knew that Osiris' spirit had departed his body and was lost. To restore Osiris, Thoth had to remake him so that his spirit would recognize him and rejoin. Thoth and Isis together created the Ritual of Life, that which allows us to live forever when we die. But before Thoth could work the magic, cruel Set discovered them. He stole the body of Osiris and tore it into many pieces, scattering them throughout Egypt. He was sure that Osiris would never be reborn.

    .....continued next blog below

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  85. Yet Isis would not despair. She implored the help of her sister Nephthys, kind Nephthys, to guide her and help her find the pieces of Osiris. Long did they search, bringing each piece to Thoth that he might work magic upon it. When all the pieces were together, Thoth went to Anubis, lord of the dead. Anubis sewed the pieces back together, washed the entrails of Osiris, embalmed him wrapped him in linen, and cast the Ritual of Life. When Osiris' mouth was opened, his spirit reentered him and he lived again.
    Yet nothing that has died, not even a god, may dwell in the land of the living. Osiris went to Duat, the abode of the dead. Anubis yielded the throne to him and he became the lord of the dead. There he stands in judgment over the souls of the dead. He commends the just to the Blessed Land, but the wicked he condemns to be devoured by Ammit.
    When Set heard that Osiris lived again he was wroth, but his anger waned, for he knew that Osiris could never return to the land of the living. Without Osiris, Set believed he would sit on the throne of the gods for all time. Yet on his island, Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, grew to manhood and strength. Set sent many serpents and demons to kill Horus, but he defeated them. When he was ready, his mother Isis gave him great magic to use against Set, and Thoth gave him a magic knife.
    Horus sought out Set and challenged him for the throne. Set and Horus fought for many days, but in the end Horus defeated Set and castrated him. But Horus, merciful Horus, would not kill Set, for to spill the blood of his uncle would make him no better than he. Set maintained his claim to the throne, and Horus lay claim himself as the son of Osiris. The gods began to fight amongst another, those who supported Horus and those who supported Set. Banebdjetet leaped into the middle and demanded that the gods end this struggle peacefully or Maat would be imbalanced further. He told the gods to seek the council of Neith. Neith, warlike though wise in council, told them that Horus was the rightful heir to the throne. Horus cast Set into the darkness where he lives to this day.
    And so it is that Horus watches over us while we live, and gives guidance to the Pharaoh while he lives, and his father Osiris watches over us in the next life. So it is that the gods are at peace. So it is that Set, wicked Set, eternally strives for revenge, battling Horus at every turn. When Horus wins, Maat is upheld and the world is at peace. When Set wins, the world is in turmoil. But we know that dark times do not last forever, and the bright rays of Horus will shine over us again. In the last days, Horus and Set will fight one last time for the world. Horus will defeat Set forever, and Osiris will be able to return to this world. On that day, the Day of Awakening, all the tombs shall open and the just dead shall live again as we do, and all sorrow shall pass away forever.

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  86. Ok, i think that Jacobs nemesis is the smoke monster too. And that the smoke monster can inhabit dead people on the island. Therefore, in the beginning of the finale when we see jacob and his nemesis talking, these bodies are actually people who have died on the island and are being used at that moment by the smoke monster (NEMESIS) and possibly a white smoke monster (JACOB). In season 6, i think we will learn about the history of these two bodies (not necessarily about Nemesis and Jacob). These two men must have been on the island at some point, died, and they are now just one form of bodies that Jacob and Nemesis use. I think season 6 will end with smoke monster inhabiting one of our losties (its locke at the moment) and also good smoke monster (jacob) inhabithing another lostie. Therefore, for example, Locke vs Jack could actually turn into Nemesis vs Jacob. Locke has already died and been inhabited by smokey. So, if it happens to Jack, he will have to die, and become Jacob.

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  88. Get a girlfriend!
    Bunch of losers.

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  89. One thing I haven't seen mentioned.

    I agree that one of the logical ideas of the manifestations of the deceased are that they are the Nemesis, who I also believe to be the smoke monster. However, Walt is an obvious contradiction to the idea that one must be dead, with their body on the island, to be impersonated. And... Can Nemesis be two at once? This is the part I haven't seen discussed. If Christian Shepherd is Nemesis, then who was Claire? They were both together, we have not seen Claire at all since, she certainly was NOT herself... Was she still alive and being manipulated, a la the French folks (pun intended)? Or was Nemesis two at once? Or, a third option, are there ADDITIONAL means for manifestations, besides Nemesis. Are Charlie, et al., who visit Hurley Nemesis, or does he really talk to ghosts? We know the dead can talk, Miles communicates with them all the time.

    Just another thought to muddy the waters. :)

    Oh, and although Richard Alpert has the appearance of a traditional ancient egyptian, eyeliner and all, and the temple and statue appear traditional ancient Egyptian, the trappings, furnishings and tapestry decorating Jacob's abode clearly show Greek influence, as in Ptolemaic Egyptian. Are we actually seeing something as silly here as the culmination of an ancient culture war?

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  90. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9286901@N06/3559211346/
    here is a photo of jacob from jacob's cabin in season 3 and the guy wanting to kill jacob. they look strangely familar

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  91. anyone comments on the fact that jacob visits kate and sawer as childs but others as older ones
    ? he brings jack when ben gets cancer??? any ideas?

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  92. My husband raised a great point, asking whether or not anyone involved in the show is named Jacob--i.e., a very postmodern move if the author was Jacob. Well, guess what the second "J" in J. J. Abrams stands for? Yup: Jacob.

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  93. what if he is not Jacob's "nemesis" at all? when he asked Jacob if he knew how badly he wanted to kill him, and Jacob confirmed, then he said that he would find a loophole and Jacob told him that he would find him there waiting for him. Just the way they were discussing it made me think that they weren't enemies. Maybe killing Jacob isn't a bad thing, maybe in some way it is helping Jacob take another form, or helping him somehow?

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  94. There are some enormous gaps in my thinking about this one, but I reckon that the 'black smoke' monster is Jacob's nemesis in a disembodied form and that the guy in black that we saw on the beach was just another 'host'. Now that Jacob's 'host' has finally been killed off, i reckon that we might see a 'white smoke' monster or similar).

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  95. I believe that the smoke monster is a judge, that being the reason why jacob and his nemesis cannot kill eachother as the one remaining would die as the result of the judgement by the monster

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  96. Since the nemesis possessed Locke, have we seen Locke and the Monster on screen at the same time ever? The one time Ben tried to call it it didn't come, and then when they went to go see it Locke stayed above while Ben had his little chat. Any ideas?

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  97. Ha Ha! You all have great theories related to the show.

    Please remember FRANK LAPIDUS' selection as a "Possible Candidate".

    If the Smoke Monster/Nemesis can shape shift.

    Can Jacob/White monster shape shift?

    I believe he can, and Frank Lapidus will be chosen as a new "host" for Jacob.

    Mayhaps the 'old man' we saw in 'jacob's cabin' was lapidus from the future. (looks like jeff fahey!?)

    Maybe not...

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  98. I proudly came up with the same parallel between the smoke monster and "Stan" (close name to Satan), as my brother and I call him. Thanks for sort of verifying the validity of my theory.

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  99. You've based this on your own interpretation of what is happening. A lot of people have already decided in their minds that this jacob's nemesis is the reincarnated loch, but this has NOT been revealed on the show as you say and if anything all that has been really left is the question of is he or isn't he? because there is just as much evidence either way. Remember the orientation video when experimenting with time traveling rabbits resulted in a duplicating two identical rabbits?

    There has been NO indication on the show that jacob's nemesis changes shape or that he is directly connected with the smoke monster, especially considering the role the monster has played already does NOT match that of jacob's nemesis and your quote to back this up being taken out of context.

    "In the opening of "The Incident," the nemesis seems quite judgmental toward humanity, stating that it "all ends the same." This parallel between the monster and the nemesis seem to match up well."

    Nemesis - "it always ends the same way"
    jacob - "it only ends once, everything else is just progress"

    This is not the nemesis being judgmental towards humanity but outlining their difference of belief.

    I could say much more objectively to what you have wrote, but then this comment would be huge and I don't mean to break apart your blog, its just it is biased towards your own interpretation that you are passing off as fact instead of taking a real open look at the clues possibilities.

    I have also noticed that you have a very black and white view of lost which is something the writers have played with on the show but it is becoming more apparent that there is no black and white, no good guys or bad guys, just difference of belief.

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  100. "By killing Jacob through Ben, not only did the nemesis fulfill his wish to kill Jacob, but he also could have proven that humanity is inherently bad. Two birds with one stone?"


    Is this what the show has been about? On whether humanity is inherently good or evil? Oh my God! I feel as if I had wasted four or five years of my life over this.

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  101. According to you, Jacob's enemy and the smoke monster are the same and it can take forms of only dead people on the island. That is in your blog but i have 2 reasons to believe that the Jacob's enemy and smoke are different and can take forms of anybody even alive. The reasons are:-
    1. If smoke can take forms of dead people what about Ben's mother and Walt?
    2. When Ben visited the temple, they clearly depicted an image of the smoke obeying or worshiping someone/thing and i think the smoke obeys Jacob's enemy.

    So due to these 2 strong reasons, I don't think they are same and they can take forms of anybody. Still don't believe me just rewatch season 1 and 5.

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