Comments on Lostpedia Blog: Food For Thought: Jughead, Jack and Judgment

Jack is Man!!! The choice is his. Living in Eden...

2009-05-15T11:32:00.000-07:00

Jack is Man!!! The choice is his. Living in Eden or knowledge/progress - this is the story of Man. Perhaps it is all cyclic after all.

I agree about Jack. In season one he was one of m...

2009-05-15T07:15:00.000-07:00

I agree about Jack. In season one he was one of my favorite characters, than once the otehrs captured him, he has become less and less likeable. I've been waiting for something big to happen and the old Jack to come back and save the day. It seems like Jack and Sawyer have had a real character switch.

Jack has become irrational and just a jerk. I hope next season he comes out less jaded.

As was said You can't believe anything Ben says, a...

2009-05-13T10:50:00.000-07:00

As was said You can't believe anything Ben says, and therefore you can't use it to back up many theories.On top of that, little Ben is nowhere to be seen. Probably he is healing somewhere with the others, which would preclude him from seeing Jack & the gang before the blast. On top of that Ben has no recollection of what happened to him before he was healed in the temple, therefore he has no real recollection of interacting with Sayid and there was never any indication of little Ben interacting with the losties who joined Dharma first (Sawyer, etc.)

You can't believe anything Ben says, and therefore...

2009-05-12T14:48:00.000-07:00

You can't believe anything Ben says, and therefore you can't use it to back up many theories.

Look to Richard Alpert instead of Ben. When shown the picture of the DI, he said he remembered Jack and the others and that he watched them "die".

So whatever happened DID happen. They were always in the past, Jack always tried to set off the nuke, and Richard always watched them "die" (which I think means he watched them time skip back to 2007.

Is what happened happening, though? I had assumed...

2009-05-12T13:45:00.000-07:00

Is what happened happening, though? I had assumed so with the way everything has been working out the way it 'should' (e.g. young Ben surviving being shot --> becoming an Other etc.), but the fact that adult Ben tells Sun that he had no idea Jack et al were ever DI makes me think otherwise.

If whatever happened happened, wouldn't adult Ben have known that they dudes were DI at one point? I know the healing erased his memory, but surely with all the DI/Other interaction going on, he would have met Jack and Co. I don't think he would have any reason to lie to Sun about not knowing, either.

Any thoughts?

My 2 cents: WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED!... By sending...

2009-05-12T12:50:00.000-07:00

My 2 cents: WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED!... By sending her son back to the past and sacrificing him, Eloise ensures consistency in event/time line; she ensures that what happened, happened. Another thing, when Eloise meets Peg in the hospital she says "This is the first time in a long time when I do not know what will happen". I suspect, this must be the key to Whitmore's economic success. Somehow, she and Whitmore (and possibly other "others") must be time traveling too. Knowing economic development in advance (even just days) gives one huge advantage when playing the stock market, for example (as realized by Sawyer when he was boarding the sub).

I am also freaked out about the casual way the cha...

2009-05-12T11:36:00.000-07:00

I am also freaked out about the casual way the characters are about the H bomb.

Given the Others age range and the fact they killed a whole bunch of Army guys cause they wanted to detonate that bomb on their island..it's hard to believe how happy go lucky Richard Alpert and Ellie are about taking a nut (Jack) who is gabbling about blowing that sucker up to fetch it. Like everyone in that age range (me included) a nuclear bomb was the worst case something the world had ever seen. It just don't make a bit of sense even in the context of fiction and the story line so far.
I surely hope the writers know what the heck they are leading us to. Revealing that bomb with a swosh of the covering like a magician's trick was not very good.

Wandering Daughter that has occurred to me also. ...

2009-05-12T11:29:00.000-07:00

Wandering Daughter that has occurred to me also. Actually Ellie would have been 37 and Widmore looks mid to late 40's when its revealed by the tummy rub that she is pregnant.

I keep thinking there is a reason why the Others are always shown without any children around and in fact Ben steals himself a newborn. DI probably has gotten trouble from the Island and baby having. I forgot about the remark about all babies born off island.

no friggin way! insane! this doesn't make sense. F...

2009-05-12T11:22:00.000-07:00

no friggin way! insane! this doesn't make sense. Farraday traveled to 1977 to stop the "incident" from ever happening by detonating an H-Bomb. I just read a spoiler saying the incident IS the H-Bomb and Jack is going to go through with it! Jesus Christ! The finale ends with the original Losties sitting on flight 716 and continues on route to LA! now the question, what will they come up with next season? hmmm....

actually very good point above.. In the Orchid O...

2009-05-12T11:15:00.000-07:00

actually very good point above..

In the Orchid Orientation video Chang tells us the energy the Island possesses is 'negatively charged exotic energy', which means it could cancel out any actual 'positive' energy the hydrogen bomb creates, and vice versa..

We'll see :D

For some reason, I'm not as bothered by the idea o...

2009-05-12T07:09:00.000-07:00

For some reason, I'm not as bothered by the idea of detonating the hydrogen bomb as some people are. After all, the result of the leak, according to Daniel, would be catastrophic. I can see the two energies, the bomb and the electromagentic energy, cancelling themselves out if they occur at the same time. It may not make much sense scientifically, but hey, it's hollywood science, right?

You know, I've liked LOST as much as anybody but t...

2009-05-11T19:44:00.000-07:00

You know, I've liked LOST as much as anybody but the producers via their writers have just gone loopy this season.

First, the time travel plot mechanism is confusing and just plain disorienting to viewers. Second, the "let's blow up the hydrogen bomb" thing. Seriously, the writing is such that our Lostaways are discussing this as if it's a couple sticks of dynamite. It's a freakin' HYDROGEN BOMB with the explosive potential to fully obliterate the island! Oh and it's leaking so its entire functionality might be compromised. Oh and you just don't set it and run. There are so many activation sequences and codes that have to be known and precisely triggered for a nuclear weapon that it's just a ridiculous proposition to even posit this as a storyline. They've all just lost so much credibility.

Yes, it's a fictional story, blah blah blah. But it's been a fairly plausible mystery-drama till this loopy season hit us and now we're all faced with a bunch of stupid, half-assed scifi hokum to finish out the series.

Jeez, just end it now and spinoff a comedy series featuring Hugo and his dad Cheech. ;-)

"I think that the War is between Jacob v. the Isla...

2009-05-11T14:00:00.000-07:00

"I think that the War is between Jacob v. the Island. I feel that Jacob is some kind of demonic parasite that the Island wants to destroy."I also believe that the Island and Jacob are separate entities. At first, I don't think the viewers could distinguish the two, but now I think it's clear. I don't believe Locke is being controlled by the island, however. I think he's being led. I think I was able to figure out that Jacob and the Island are different when Locke decided to take the field trip to see Jacob in the last episode. For what purpose? Most of us already know.

Jack seems intent on preventing the plane crash, as does Sayyid. The problem is, Jack and perhaps Sayyid are the only people who felt they would have benefitted from NOT crashing. Kate was screwed, Sawyer was screwed, before crash landing on the Island. It was a new beginning for many of them, a cure.

We have already seen Jacob, and he is not one of the people we already know. I don't believe he will be. I think it will be a new person altogether.

What I am anxious to learn more about is Claire's disappearance! What ever happened to her? Is she with Jacob? I am dying to know.

Hopefully the next season is more of a learning season, and I hope it's a long one as well. They have a lot to do in just one season. This one went too slow, we didn't learn enough.

To Joyce in response to: "Again the only people wh...

2009-05-11T13:58:00.000-07:00

To Joyce in response to: "Again the only people who got pregnant and had babies were the DI and they were wiped out in the Purge.?"Remember that Ellie was young on the island. There were lots of young adults among the Others when we first saw them during those time travel periods. The pregnancy problems could have roots in the Incident, and the electromagnetism effected the ability for women to carry children.

I brought up the compass paradox as I thought that...

2009-05-11T13:08:00.000-07:00

I brought up the compass paradox as I thought that there was a slight chance that it was an unintentional oversight. So thanks to the subsequent comments about the thoughts of the writers as this has now cemented my thinking that this may be more of an insight into the paradoxical circumstances that may drive the entire plot.

I for one am not worried by the idea that this is where the show may be heading - as no doubt characters such as Desmond, Locke, Jack and Ben will be critical in order for the show to reach a satisfying conclusion - and at the end of the day, the brilliance of Lost is most epitomised in the intricacies of its lead characters. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Hurley will play a big part in what is to come - he hasn't really featured in the many theories and ideas that I have read on this blog - and in my opinion, in the eyes of the writers that would make him an ideal candidate for another LOST bomshell moment!

Bring it on.....

THE WAR - SCIENCE vs FAITH

THE WAR - COURSE INTERVENTION vs FATE

hmmmm.... what if Locke is Jacob? that would de...

2009-05-11T13:02:00.000-07:00

hmmmm.... what if Locke is Jacob? that would definitely be a brain****.

The DI DID have trouble with birthing on the Islan...

2009-05-11T10:14:00.000-07:00

The DI DID have trouble with birthing on the Island. In the epi when Ethan was born, someone (cannot remember if it was Chang or Horace) said, We always take our women to shore to give birth. Babies aren't usually BORN on the Island because they don't have the equipment for that. That's why there was such a panic when Ethan was born early.

I think that the detonation of the bomb would be p...

2009-05-11T09:51:00.000-07:00

I think that the detonation of the bomb would be premature, especially with a full season's worth of episodes to go. But how bout this?

The "Incident" that Faraday predicts will happen *will* happen (it's the title of the episode, after all) - an electromagnetic-related catastrophe that will wipe out Dharma (or whoever's left from Dharma). We know that the turning of the wheel by Ben and then Locke resulted in Jin, Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, Miles, Faraday (RIP), Charlotte (RIP) "jumping" thru time on the island. We know that Jack, Kate, Hurley all "jumped" from present day to 1977 during the second crash onto the island. So isn't it possible that any major electromagnetic incident would cause some or all of them to jump again, a la what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key? Perhaps to present day to meet up with Locke and the gang, or somewhere else - potentially on or even *off* the island.

As for the bomb..."do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" The bomb? At this point, at least, we can assume that the bomb still exists on the island in 2007 and is still the biggest threat to the island's (Jacob's?) annihilation.

All this said, this *is* the season finale, and I would expect at least one major death. My candidates would include Juliet, Miles (anyone who showed up after the first season is likely 'excess baggage', no pun intended), and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben (I figure he'll play a pivotal role in the finale) or even Sawyer (we know that LaFleur jacket is in the mass grave...could it be there as the result of the Incident rather than the Ben-related wipeout?) kick off.

If any of this holds true, this sets the stage for the Hatch, Radzinky's suicide (guilt over the Incident?), Desmond's return - and a whole new season of brain-numbing insanity.

And if I'm wrong, then, well...

God help us all.

Let's all remember something. The DI folk never h...

2009-05-11T09:14:00.000-07:00

Let's all remember something. The DI folk never had trouble having babies ever. There are always lot of children around the Barracks in every scene not to mention a playground set. Ethan definetely was born on the Island with his Mommy getting pregnant on the Island.

Fact: only the Others have baby problems and that is why Juliet was recruited. The DI folk were dead and gone with the exception of Ben, Ethan and probably some other recruits.

The DI folk aren't infertile. The folk having trouble is the Others only. Think back to any scenes of the others when they are out in the jungle camping or living in the Barracks after they killed the DI folk. No babies no children, nothing.

Other than young adults such as Alex who wasn't born of the Others and Karl, there aren't any really young people in the Others right?

Ellie is pregnant on the Island but she obviously had Daniel off Island and saved her life and his.

Again the only people who got pregnant and had babies were the DI and they were wiped out in the Purge.

I think Jack has been boring since Ben has come al...

2009-05-11T06:31:00.000-07:00

I think Jack has been boring since Ben has come along. The show has grow bigger than him in the past few seasons. He may reclaim his position. Maybe that's why he has decided to do something so drastic as to blow up Jughead. We shall see soon...

Ax- It's not unreasonable for fans to state when t...

2009-05-10T21:58:00.000-07:00

Ax- It's not unreasonable for fans to state when they think they see a flaw in the writing/plot/pacing, etc...

As much as I love this show, I think the push to do a lot in a prescribed amount of time has led to some big concessions -- and I think the Jack character has suffered for it quite a bit this season. He's never been less interesting. Not a development one would have seen coming even a season ago.

Someone mentioned this earlier in this blog, and I...

2009-05-10T15:19:00.000-07:00

Someone mentioned this earlier in this blog, and I'd like to reiterate the idea. Perhaps the compass if the first glimpse of what the whole show is, perhaps the goings on the Island have no origin (seemingly like the Others) and they are a continuous loop which effects itself, one massively intricate compass paradox.

Personally I don't like this idea, but I don't know it sounds something that would happen in Lost.I listened to the podcast as well and DC seemed to imply (in my opinion) that they weren't going to answer the compass paradox, but that it was on purpose and that it was indicative of the "mystery" of the island.

I'm cool with the "mystery". I don't need everything spelled out in harsh detail...things tend to look silly in the light of day.

BUT, I agree that I hope this isn't some sort of nod toward where the show is headed...namely that everything is in some sort of unending cycle (ala certain Stephen King books).

I find those types of endings fairly unsatisfying. It always feels like a cheat for the writers because they don't actually have to END anything, it just loops back around on itself and starts over.

That being said maybe DC can pull it off.

The compass paradox may be an illustration of some...

2009-05-10T14:02:00.000-07:00

The compass paradox may be an illustration of someone one can do with time travel. In other words, time travel does not only allow someone to move back and forth through time, but it also allows them to create objects (like the compass) that wouldn't otherwise exist. Another point on the compass...when Richard visited 6-year old Locke and asked him to pick which items he already owned, I believe the compass was one of the items.

I like the theory about the hydrogen bomb causing the pregnancy problems. If the bomb is detonated on the island, that might be the reason why births are unsuccessful. The incident or the bomb will cause the pregnancy problems, and I'm sure we'll find out why in the finale.

I listened to the leaked podcast recently and Darl...

2009-05-10T10:40:00.000-07:00

I listened to the leaked podcast recently and Darlton confirmed that the Compass Paradox is intentional. Though not mentioning quite how it all works they did say something to the effect that it is representative of the show's nature, of the shape of things to come.

Someone mentioned this earlier in this blog, and I'd like to reiterate the idea. Perhaps the compass if the first glimpse of what the whole show is, perhaps the goings on the Island have no origin (seemingly like the Others) and they are a continuous loop which effects itself, one massively intricate compass paradox.

Personally I don't like this idea, but I don't know it sounds something that would happen in Lost.

Whatever happened to the "spiritual" and special n...

2009-05-10T00:53:00.000-07:00

Whatever happened to the "spiritual" and special naming side (Jacob, Ben, on and on) to this story? John Locke's name is a very important person to the world in our US history (see the first thoughts of a constitution). He is leading the democratic movement......I just hope he is the "good" guy. Ben seemed to be possesed by a demon angel if ever I saw one....HE is possesed!!. What about Atlantis, ot is still missing, and the Arc of the convenent (it is "LOST" and very powerful). What about redemption, and becoming NOT "lost" as the island seems to do for some brought there for some mission or destiny. I hope they all find the best in themselves working together to do the right thing, sorry to bust up the wishs of people who like books that shock people with evil events obviously inspired by the the worst angel. Maybe Jack turns out to be someone better than just a "leader" that we all need or some clown telling us what to do and think (DC). The world has more power in it than some bomb or ALL of the bombs. They(we)just need to have "faith" and not destroy ourselves with our free will, the island may be the heart of the Earth.