tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post7493518046263494408..comments2023-10-25T06:16:20.123-04:00Comments on Lostpedia Blog: Episode Blog - Through the Looking GlassJabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07886141036635080006noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-4817750541502144752008-12-28T14:19:00.000-05:002008-12-28T14:19:00.000-05:00PS. LOST 03x22: The “The Catcher in the Rye” of TV...<B>PS. LOST 03x22: The “The Catcher in the Rye” of TV series?</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>(Spoilers included)<BR/><BR/>The last episode of <B>LOST’s</B> 3rd season is one that can change your life. It sounds exaggerated, but <B>“Through the Looking Glass”</B> can stand by the highly influential works of modern culture. That may sound sacrilegious, but <B>LOST</B> reminds me of the <B>“The Catcher in the Rye”</B>, which changed my way of thinking forever. Supposing that by reading the noted novel of <B>J.D. Salinger</B> you exercise yourself, like its main character <B>Holden Caulfield</B>, to question every status quo, even reaching levels of sabotaging your own existence, then what is the lesson learned by this special <B>LOST</B> ep.?<BR/><BR/>But, of course, to perpetually doubt not about the mere material or social substance of things, but about their ideological approach, undermining and tumbling the way you have learned to esteem facts. However, never without a price to pay.<BR/><BR/>The moment in which Kate shows up in front of Jack in the airport overbears everything we knew about <B>LOST’s</B> “normal” flow of facts, furthermore in a meta-level, everything we knew about the filming methods of breaking and reordering the time frame. It is common place, indeed, that in the past many directors have tried to narrate stories outside the linear direction of time, either successfully (e.g. <B>Memento</B>) or not, either in a comprehensible way or not (e.g. <B>Mulholland Dr.</B>). <BR/><BR/><B>LOST</B> producers followed an outright honest approach into their chronological deception. They never underlined scenes with determinative time-spatial subtitles. They shot their first salvos in their inaugural –mutually inverse- scenes of <B>03χ01</B> and <B>03χ20</B>. They paved the way with Desmond’s constant flash forwards. Finally, into <B>03χ22</B>, they scattered hints to make us cerebrate what’s going on. Whoever has wide open eyes might see, whoever does not will be taken aback - nevertheless, their ignorance will be paid back with an unspoken, lasting, intense feeling. <BR/><BR/>Let us review some of these –already known- hints:<BR/>• The air turbulences and Jack’s calmness.<BR/>• The 1st phone call to Kate with the haunted, insular salutation: <B>hey</B>.<BR/>• The anagram of the funeral home’s title (not, of course, to be used during episode’s real time viewing)<BR/>• Jack’s avoidance of calling his father in the pharmacy, the chief doctor’s look in the hospital and Jack’s agony relating to what he has been through.<BR/>• The wink regarding Hurley’s participation. After his 2nd offer’s rejection (by Sawyer), you know that those scenes have not been shot without a cause and that he is the man that will eventually rescue Sayid’s group. You can see it in front of you, <B> “look forward”</B> is the <B>“sesame”</B> word, spell <B>“forward”</B> and it will inoculate the way you are experiencing the whole episode – the form (word) can lead you to the essence (meaning).<BR/>• Finally, Jack’s outrageous attitude during the whole “flashback”. Astonishment at its self-destructing character and pointless speculation about how Jack succeeded in controlling and rehabilitating himself, while the real question should concern the reason that led him to this painful position. Was it due to his ex-wife’s rejection? Too simple to be true, too out-of-LOST.<BR/><BR/>The structure and the facts of <B>03χ22</B>, beyond the usual semiotic references, like the 3 suicide attempts – all related with the saving or taking of other people’s lives, permit me to parallel the whole series, regarding not the viewers’ feelings but the plot evolution, to the famous <B>Gaussian</B> (i.e. a hill-shaped graph).<BR/><BR/> <B> “Through the Looking Glass”</B> lies, of course, on the top of the curve. It is in many ways the outmost extremity of lost’s path:<BR/><BR/>• It stands in the exact middle of the series’ TV lifespan – wonder if it is also the middle of the real time space (from crash to the ending)<BR/>• It is the 1st time that communication with outer world is established; hence we have darkness on the one hand, light on the other.<BR/>• The strenuous acclivitous road of survival has ended, now the foretold road of rescue is about to start (?).<BR/>• Charlie’s death, the 1st of a leading character, prepares us for more of this kind in the future.<BR/>• Jack and Kate’s idyll culminates in the epic <B>“Cause I love you”</B>. An idyll that started with a needle and thread, forged into a cave’s debris, hymned through muted glances and everyday talking and tested by palinodes and diversions. Even if that idyll was not doomed due to its surrounding special circumstances, the romantic theory about Love states that love flares up whilst it is tacit – the moment it is expressed the process of decay and withering starts inevitably.<BR/>• And, of course, the momentous airport meeting scene signals the end (?) of the illuminating “flashbacks”, and the beginning of the mysterious “flashforwards” (e.g. dead man in the coffin). Till now, we would resort to the past to comprehend the characters’ present behavior. From now on we shall focus on “now” to try to explain the future “whys”.<BR/><BR/>According to an old logic problem, you are asked to cover all 9 dots that form a square (4 on the corners, 4 on the middle of the sides and 1 in the center) by drawing 4 consecutive lines. The solution is simple, provided you permit yourself to think outside the frame defined by the square.<BR/><BR/>In a similar way, that is the great lesson of <B>LOST, “Through the Looking Glass”</B>. The producers define an operation frame and they challenge us to move outside that frame. And what about the eternal quandary <B>“Logic or Emotion”</B> which even divides the protagonists (Jack vs. Locke)? <BR/><BR/>The “flash forward” mystery’s explanation leaves the pendulum swinging: whoever gathered all the puzzle pieces and solved the riddle can be proud of his discernment. Alas, the price is that the drama’s culmination found him prepared and tamed. What a contradiction with the gaping mouth of the startled viewer, who -after Charlie’s fatal flood- finds himself struggling in a sea of unanswered questions and heart-breaking emotions of cursing and sympathy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06279013645138454515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-68378500641095225952007-07-03T10:55:00.000-04:002007-07-03T10:55:00.000-04:00I would have to disagree with rhialto. I believe t...I would have to disagree with rhialto. I believe that making Locke look like more of a renigade, doing his own thing. I believe that he is good, but cryptic and that he is acting on intuition without exactly knowing totally why. I think that he is doing a good thing by trying to keep all of the survivors on the island and that Jack and the rest of the people have a narrow view of what is going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-38382567497239290612007-06-24T16:11:00.000-04:002007-06-24T16:11:00.000-04:00now without the bas spellingTo me they present him...now without the bas spelling<BR/><BR/>To me they present him [Locke] as a not that very bright person. Dumb to say honostly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-91821125309642121922007-06-24T16:01:00.000-04:002007-06-24T16:01:00.000-04:00i defenitely think they went to far with Locke. To...i defenitely think they went to far with Locke. To me he the present hi as a nor that very bright person. Dumb to say honostly. I truly hoped John was going to the other side with the others, but somehow it feld right that Ben shot him. As a big Ben fan, i wish he has something up in his sleeve for season 4!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-89438621335388000382007-06-18T14:32:00.000-04:002007-06-18T14:32:00.000-04:00Why do a lot of people assume that in the flash fo...Why do a lot of people assume that in the flash forward, when Kate says she has to get back to "him" it is Sawyer??? Who's to say that Jack didn't just get him, her and maybe one or two other people rescued. Maybe it isn't Sawyer. We know that she's probably pregnant. Who's to say that she'll die in the 3rd trimester once she's off the island??? Maybe "HIM" is her son....no Sawyer. <BR/><BR/>Why can't she stay with Jack....obviously, I don't know, but I bet it has something to do with those lies that Jack can no longer live with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-85562476848349123662007-06-18T04:17:00.000-04:002007-06-18T04:17:00.000-04:00Well, I don't think it was 'alternate' as you say....Well, I don't think it was 'alternate' as you say. That would be too complicated to explain... How do you say oh yeah btw, those flashes that happened at the end of season 3... well they don't ever actually happen because things got fixed thanks to Desmond and his ability to see into the future... THIS is what actually happens. No. They won't do that. It WILL actually happen. Mark my words. Next season will have some episodes off the island and back in the world. Jack will eventually convince everyone that they need to go back and they will... in which the last two seasons we will see the revelation of all the secrets about the island and then Dharma and everything. and then the end. on the island. the way it's meant to be... for whatever reason that we don't yet know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-87458854398950968832007-06-14T13:50:00.000-04:002007-06-14T13:50:00.000-04:00The flash forward may be an "alternate future" but...The flash forward may be an "alternate future" but it is definitely the future from the Losties' perspective. The cell phones used by the characters appear to modern RAZRs or RAZR clones. I picked up on this right away and thought it was a huge oversight by the producers until I realized it was a flash forward and not a flash back. I believe the RAZR came out in 2005 and the island time is presumably 2004.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-28828474299185768832007-06-13T22:38:00.000-04:002007-06-13T22:38:00.000-04:00I think Naomi could possibly be a member of the DH...I think Naomi could possibly be a member of the DHARMA initiative. Maybe they're trying to reform the organization and want their island back, so they sent her in as a spy to see what they were up against and used Penny's Desmond search as a mask... I know I'm a little late, but I just read this post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-54134458871249832672007-06-12T10:55:00.000-04:002007-06-12T10:55:00.000-04:00so I think the body is the casket is Juliette's. D...so I think the body is the casket is Juliette's. Does anyone know her last name? Jack said he was hoping to see Kate there and, of course, Kate wouldn't go to the funeral nor would any other Losties who got off (if any). What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-32797170969982642252007-06-09T13:46:00.000-04:002007-06-09T13:46:00.000-04:00I agree that the flash forward is "what would have...I agree that the flash forward is "what would have happened." One of my theories is that somehow Locke was able to see a vision of a "possible" future, just like Desmond. I think it may have had something to do with Locke's encounter with Walt in the mass grave site.<BR/><BR/>Locke was able to see that they were obviously not supposed to get off the island, and he was so convinced that he had no problem killing Naiomi. Walt, or maybe a different vision, had to have told Locke that Naiomi wasn't who she sais she is.<BR/><BR/>We all saw that was true when Penny was on the monitor in the looking glass and confirmed it wasn't her boat. So we know that Naiomi is NOT who she says she is, and consequentially, in my opinion, the ship is not going to "rescue" them. <BR/><BR/>I think Ben was telling the truth. The ship is there for the island and it is a threat. That is why Jacob said "Help me" to Locke. Jacob is somehow tied to the island, and Locke is the only one who can protect it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-74238290024831771412007-06-07T22:37:00.000-04:002007-06-07T22:37:00.000-04:00I am a bit confused whether the flashforward meant...I am a bit confused whether the flashforward meant that they used naomis ship to get off the island or whether the flashforward was the consequence of doing such that could still be avoided. The main reason I say this is because the general idea is that before the island, everyone had a pretty sorry excuse for a life. Now i find it disconcerting to see Jack, still miserable. He is the protagonist! Shoudlnt he have a happy ending, nothing good for the most selfless of the losties? For this reason, i think the flashforward was more of a glimpse into what what woudl have been had they actually gotten on to the boat. BUt instead, desmond will warn them, and they wont get off the island at this moment, thus saving jack's fate. What do you guys think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-35637500756642487542007-06-07T19:15:00.000-04:002007-06-07T19:15:00.000-04:00"Locke storming away after nearly gunning down jac..."Locke storming away after nearly gunning down jack"<BR/>He didn't storm away - it was more like slinking away after Jack disappointed him so.<BR/>Also - at the end, Kate says: "This is not gonna change..." - another (perhaps lame) clue for me that this is an alternate timeline. That and Jack's beard not being gray at all as it should have been after leaving the island. No suicidal drug addict I've ever heard of takes the time to color a scruffy beard. This was an alternate "future".Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16321093364608334481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-76997211941043575662007-06-07T05:38:00.000-04:002007-06-07T05:38:00.000-04:00I am expecting something more . . . . . Easter egg...I am expecting something more . . . . . Easter eggs or no I have a feeling that THis fall is going to be a pretty interesting one ! ! !ChristosVerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08867999823702730724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-60262663047541638942007-06-04T15:35:00.000-04:002007-06-04T15:35:00.000-04:00Charlie was lying about being a trained swimmer so...Charlie was lying about being a trained swimmer so Jack would let him go. In the beginning of the series, he told Jack that he would go out to save Joanna, but that "I don't swim". He also drowned in desmond's vision trying to save claire because he couldn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-4625073887175100202007-06-04T03:32:00.000-04:002007-06-04T03:32:00.000-04:00omg guys FEBUARY thats after christmas, CHRISTMAS!...omg guys FEBUARY thats after christmas, CHRISTMAS! any way about the finale well not as on edge as the other 2 finales but this 1 made u think more and has locke got a lot of lives or something, also id like to say that i hope walt returns aswell as micheal and please please make their a storyline were locke returns back to our camp i mean im worried for him :( now im not crazy but i really want echo back, and i think it could happen because echo wasnt really that normal and its not like hes in the middle of scotland he is on the island so echo back in 2008. comment as much as you want bye and all u lost guys email me at cunningham_06@hotmail.co.ukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-58607892424995571502007-06-04T01:41:00.000-04:002007-06-04T01:41:00.000-04:00yo...i thought all the subjects you talked about w...yo...<BR/>i thought all the subjects you talked about where excacly what i would of wrote.<BR/>koolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-84369428825256396582007-06-01T23:42:00.000-04:002007-06-01T23:42:00.000-04:00Is anyone aware of any spinoff websites? There app...Is anyone aware of any spinoff websites? There appear to be sites for Jack and Kate's licence plate numbers from "Through The Looking Glass".<BR/><BR/>There are sites for 2SAQ321.com (Jack) and 4QKD695.com (Kate) which appear cryptic in nature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-19019060781942985072007-05-31T20:15:00.000-04:002007-05-31T20:15:00.000-04:00Stillovelocke, I heard from a guy, that knows a gu...Stillovelocke, I heard from a guy, that knows a guy, who is best friends with Damon L's cousin's boyfriend and HE said that it was going to be Danielle Rousseau with the flashbacks on the 4 premierAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-69442925822796962902007-05-30T14:12:00.000-04:002007-05-30T14:12:00.000-04:00Well, sorry Charlie lover, but that was charlie's ...Well, sorry Charlie lover, but that was charlie's destin... get over it ...plus hes a baby snatcher and a garden mugger anywayLockdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06267664960163213978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-73302535389673821692007-05-29T21:09:00.000-04:002007-05-29T21:09:00.000-04:00eDid anyone notice how much younger Jack looked in...eDid anyone notice how much younger Jack looked in the flash forward? His beard was much darker than his beard was on the island. Also, Kate looked really different, too. Don't know why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-45478806038096642242007-05-29T14:47:00.000-04:002007-05-29T14:47:00.000-04:00It was completly ridiculous. Charly could hold his...It was completly ridiculous. Charly could hold his breath and was trained for olympic swimming<BR/>So it can well be possible that his death might be apparent. He could swim out to the surface. He's such a big and key character that everyone loves that it cannot be dead. He shows more than another the human condition (he's at the same time fragile, stuborn, sweet, loyal, impulsive, weak and strong) and he experiences the path and difficult tests that everyone must overcome in order to be rescued from...... ourselvesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-81540346113148510532007-05-28T19:14:00.000-04:002007-05-28T19:14:00.000-04:00Nice Lost fan site. The filters at work don't blo...Nice Lost fan site. The filters at work don't block it, but they do block the other good Lost fan sites. Good podcast also. I was looking at the updated Hanso Foundation site and found the hidden link with movie just like everyone else, but I think I uncovered something more. The entire website is built in Flash, and their is a "hit area" in a circular pattern in the middle of the page. You can detect the "hit area" by listening for the alternate audio feedback you hear when mousing over the second humanity word. By tracing the "hit Area" I uncovered the following hidden message: <BR/><BR/>"Harsh light of inquiry in shadow. It is this shadow Dr. Thomas Werver Mittelwerk costs many their happiness. Some few have, I assure you now as I did then, that the work intended to bring birth to a dying land and this moment. The Hanso Foundation enters transparency and oversight will be our guiding principles. Response to feedback, our greatest strength, tap into just that – our humanity. Much thanks to the timeless efforts of my movement set against the dark entity and freed from Consortium. We at The, can support. "<BR/><BR/>It may be something, it may be nothing, but the "Hit Area" is not a perfect circle and is not something that would be put in at random. The Flash Developer must select the hit area very precisely.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10631213337401251352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-19667391649950217292007-05-28T16:30:00.000-04:002007-05-28T16:30:00.000-04:00i just watched the episode again and i noticed tha...i just watched the episode again and i noticed that when jack calls kate at the end, it sounds like a man or boy that picks up the phone. i started thinking that maybe her pregnancy scare that she was talking about with sawyer actually happened...and this flash forward is waaaay more in the future than we are all thinking. or, obviously its the "he" of the "he will be wondering where i am" who answered the phone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-10946542259122081932007-05-28T16:05:00.000-04:002007-05-28T16:05:00.000-04:00Darmah is coming baby!! I think their saviors are...Darmah is coming baby!! I think their saviors are the very people that once wanted to control the island. I think Naomi was sent to find the island again due to the big magnetic disturbance that somehow let the island show itself. I believe that the season 4 ep.1 will end with someone finding out about the nature of their "saviors".<BR/><BR/>I think more flash fowards are a definite but i dont think they will replace flashbacks. I loved that idea because a lot of people were complaining that the flashbacks were getting played out (i was not one of these people) all of those folks got a early christmas presant. I believe that sawyer was the "him" kate speaks of and that the "tired of lying" is a deal jack had to make to get himself and a select few others off the island with help from the new Darmah.<BR/><BR/>My coffin theory... Locke. Why he would make a deal to get off is the one hole in my plan but I think he ends up off the island and dies, jack realizes that he was the last chance for getting back and breaks down and cries. Locke dosen't have anyone that would care enough to come to a funeral since all his life he has been used, hurt, and generally screwed over by everyone he comes in contact with. Jack is no family member with him, and certainly not a friend. Plus correct me if im wrong but did the scene of the coffin and locke killing naomi line up near eachother?<BR/><BR/>The rumors are already spilling in and i heard from a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy who scrubs JJ Abrams toilet that the premier of numero 4 centers around a character we know but haven't seen a lot of screen time with... Richard anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-65552180753185141922007-05-27T23:15:00.000-04:002007-05-27T23:15:00.000-04:00Is anyone else extremely sad about no lost experie...Is anyone else extremely sad about no lost experience this summer? Its gonna be hard for me for the first time ever to have nothing lost except repeats (i starded watching season 1 mid season 2). TLE keeps die hard fans interested all summer. Its gonna be hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com