Comments on Lostpedia Blog: What do you think of spoilers?

Hehe, I managed to make it!To all people worried a...

2008-05-31T06:41:00.000-07:00

Hehe, I managed to make it!

To all people worried about Darlton going into radio scilence - I don't get it! I tried listening to their podcast once, but had to turn it off QUICK -- they were giving away too much info, basicly spoilering by themselfs.

To all those "DO NOT LOOK" people - search for a YouTube video "spoiler" (sorry, don't have the link on me), which is basicly 3 people driving a car and SHOUTING "Snapes Kill Dumbledore" to everyone around ..

I honestly hate spoilers. I had season 3 spoiled f...

2008-05-30T22:02:00.000-07:00

I honestly hate spoilers. I had season 3 spoiled for me. But, anyone who wants to whine and moan should have stayed away from the spoiler sites. I was able to make it to the finale spoiler free by not looking at any Lost sites the minute I heard that "lostfan108" was posting again. Yes, I agree that "lostfan108" should be prosecuted for copyright infringement by stealing the details of the finale. But once we hear these spoilers are out stay away from the sites for a few weeks. Yes, the curiosity is there but fend it off. Because this finale was truly worth the wait. So next season, hole yourself up in a room with some fish biscuits and some DHARMA rum and wait for the finale and just stay away from the boards.

There are few things that annoy me more than spoli...

2008-05-29T22:44:00.000-07:00

There are few things that annoy me more than spoliers. Some are ok, like the little hints the producers give, but scene by scene synopsis is out of the question. You cannot call yourself a fan of the show if you read those spoilers. There is no debating it: you cannot call yourself a fan.

Dark, you're a spineless scumbag who only cares ab...

2008-05-29T02:37:00.000-07:00

Dark, you're a spineless scumbag who only cares about one thing: TRAFFIC. Thanks to your inability to do something honorable, lots of people have had spoilers thrust upon them by vandals.

Once again time has shown that you and your policies are wrong. Not only that, but you are deliberately jeopardizing the excellent relationship Lost fans enjoy with Carton and Damon. Thanks for that.

You're a selfish, shallow scumbag.

Once again for the people at the back: DARKUFO'S SPOILERS HAVE BEEN THRUST UPON THOSE WHO DON'T WISH TO SEE THEM. That's not from choice!

But of course, there's no difference between having spoilers and spoiling something, and NOT having spoilers and NOT being able to spoil something. Yeah, that makes sense.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you're not the first that Lostfan108 approached? That maybe you're just the first with such low morals that you actually accepted?

Grow a backbone and some moral common sense.

I can't believe there are still people saying "don...

2008-05-28T18:02:00.000-07:00

I can't believe there are still people saying "don't look". Are you really that out of touch with reality? Again, it's not a case of not going to DarkUFO and looking there, but where idiots that went to DarkUFO are then using that material elsewhere without spoiler tags. It was irresponsible one-upmanship to post the finale synopsis so that those idiots have access and spoil it for those who did not want to be spoiled. Thanks to Dark, I now know who is in the coffin, something I was trying to avoid until actually having it revealed on the show. There's no "don't look" when people are not considerate of others.

I like to read spoilers every chance I get. I don'...

2008-05-28T14:17:00.000-07:00

I like to read spoilers every chance I get. I don't have cable, so I watch the episodes a day or two, may even a week, later on the ABC site. I generally read the episode recaps here or on televisionwithoutpity.com before I watch an episode. I actually do this with mostly all the shows I watch online or download from iTunes. For me, it enhances the experience, rather than diminishes. "Lost" is so beautifully shot, and I like trying to guess where the locations are, since it's filmed in my hometown.

Nice job Dark. Great points made. I love your site...

2008-05-27T13:52:00.000-07:00

Nice job Dark. Great points made. I love your site.
You did the right thing.

People, if you don't like porn (and who does?) - don't look at it.
Don't try and understand the people who do. The same goes for spoilers.

If you are a true fan, why do you care anyway? Do your own thing, in your own home, and go to Lost sites that do not post spoilers. Just stop whining.

I HATE SPOILERS!!! If you read spoilers, youre a j...

2008-05-27T07:46:00.000-07:00

I HATE SPOILERS!!! If you read spoilers, youre a jerk not a Fan.

Where are you people running into spoilers when yo...

2008-05-27T07:22:00.000-07:00

Where are you people running into spoilers when you dont want to? I'm not calling you out or anything, I just really want to know so I don't accidentally run into a spoiler myself. I have remained spoiler free so far and have every intention of staying that way until the finale airs. I just want to know what type of sites you're talking about here. What sites to void exactly.

fair enough if people want to be spoiled thats ok,...

2008-05-24T12:40:00.000-07:00

fair enough if people want to be spoiled thats ok, just recognize the fact that people have had there choice intentionally taken away from them.

its moronic arguing for choice when you disregard everyone else's, by saying "just don't read them" how stupid is that statement? when you have people posting it all over the place, with the intention of ruining it for people that don't want spoiling.

if you want spoilers do it responsibly its that simple, 4 little words spoiled an episode for me, they were not in a spoiler section or covered by a button, they were on a totally unrelated page.
explain how i should of avoided that?.

Whats the point of doing it. seriously, why watch ...

2008-05-24T10:12:00.000-07:00

Whats the point of doing it. seriously, why watch the show when you know whats going to happen. im in love with lost, and have been on darkUFO's website the whole year but refuse to read any spoilers. seriosuly, what the fudge is the point???

I hate spoilers and their sources too. From the ve...

2008-05-24T07:08:00.000-07:00

I hate spoilers and their sources too. From the very beginning lost has been about questions and mystery and the slow revealing of such mysteries is what the show is all about. So if you don't like that, don't watch the show at all, never mind looking at spoilers.

Now this is just getting stupid.

2008-05-24T06:03:00.000-07:00

Now this is just getting stupid.

Seriously, I feel like stooping to the level of al...

2008-05-24T01:45:00.000-07:00

Seriously, I feel like stooping to the level of all these high and mighty non-spoiler readers and saying, I hope you do get spoiled!

And DocArzt, wow you are an a hole. You don't get a spoiler for your site so you talk down about a competitors site (correction, the guy that runs the site) on a public blog for doing WHAT YOU KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE DONE ALSO.

This is like fighting a crusade in God's name and then expecting him to actually be happy with it. Sure, God may not like the heathens, but where did he ever say kill them?

This seems a little silly to me. How do spoilers ...

2008-05-23T20:32:00.000-07:00

This seems a little silly to me. How do spoilers get the information in the first place? They have to get the info from people associated with the program so if you want to point a finger at anyone, point it at the people involved with creating the show. Make them zip their lips and keep their scripts secret. Speaking of secrets, it's not like we're talking about leaking military secrets to our enemies. We're talking about the plot to a tv show. If you don't want to be spoiled stay away from the web.

This is not taking a gun from someone and showcasi...

2008-05-23T18:03:00.000-07:00

This is not taking a gun from someone and showcasing it to limit harm. It's loading a gun and then handing it to children and people with IQs under 70. It was irresponsible, and there is no logical excuse.

"Don't look" is a bit like telling people to avoid the person pissing in their own pool.

@ plkrtn You have repeatedly insulted the characte...

2008-05-23T14:47:00.000-07:00

@ plkrtn

You have repeatedly insulted the character of people who read spoilers in this thread by calling them things like "Weak willed".

You have implied a lack of morality to those who read and publish spoilers by saying things like
"Honor is strongest amongst thieves.", "You really can't justify spoilers, unless you are after AdSense cash and cheap website visits."and "Spoilers are disrespectful to the artists" and than you try to make yourself look better by saying;
"I at no point have implied a morally superior attitude to anyone who reads spoilers"

That is a load of crap as are a number of other things you have said such as "the vast majority of viewers don't like spoilers."

Where is the study you conducted to reach that conclusion? I am expecting that it does not exist and that it is a baseless statement.

Your comparison to drugs is also a failure considering you direct it at Dark. DarkUFO has done nothing against the law and he is in no way under a non disclosure agreement therefore he can not be compared to a drug dealer as you did in your comparison. If you drew that comparison to lostfan108 it would almost hold water but again would fail when you realize that it may have been illegal for lostfan108 to leak the information but it was not illegal for Dark to use it.

Oh and the past tense of spoil is spoiled not "spoilt" and an argument with no consequence is moot not "mute".

As a side note I have given Dark 100 hits since I have found this blog (I had given him probably about 5 ever before this).

dlittle19 said... If you don't want to know DON'T ...

2008-05-23T13:46:00.000-07:00

dlittle19 said...
If you don't want to know DON'T READ IT. It says in BIG BOLD letters that it is a spoiler. Like anything else in life you have a choice"

Have you read this at all? Maybe on a perfect internet that would be the case, but a perfect internet it is not. It has probably occurred to all of the people who don't want to be spoiled, to not click on a known spoiler link...ummm, that's not exactly rocket science. The thing is, people spam the spoilers all over the internet. They AREN'T spoiler fonted, they AREN'T posted with "warning spoiler" headlines. They just show up. Hey man, we all have a choice, whether it's to skip to the end of the book or not. But, when somebody posts the ending, and you had CHOSEN not to find out how it ends, well, there's really no choice in that is there? What do you do then? Choose to squeeze your eyes shut and hope you didn't read too much? It's not like last year Lostfan108's spoiler was always posted with big headlines HEY I KNOW HOW IT ALL ENDS!!! Usually, the big reveal was just sort of lying there in someones commentary, put in the subject line like "Hey, if this is a FF, then like why is it only Jack and Kate who get off the island?" Moderators do remove them, but hey, someones gonna read them before they do, and thus they're disseminated again. It seems stupid to be going on and on about this god given right to spoil or be spoiled. The ire is, those who choose not to be spoiled have, because of this character, had their choice removed by being spoiled anyway. Which dude, just kinda sucks.

Drugs is the perfect example, because those who kn...

2008-05-23T13:22:00.000-07:00

Drugs is the perfect example, because those who know anything about the finale are under a non-disclosure agreement. This is a breaking of a contract which has been put in place.

He runs a website, turning around on a low cost for profit margin on other peoples copyright.

LP might spoil people outside the US, but Lost has already been broadcast in the United States of America and Canada when the information is placed on the site. All content has been place in a public domain. Its impossible to compare spoiling something that hasn't been aired, to something that has been aired in its country of production. Don't be so glib.

No in fact, I don't think Dark does have the right to do it, as the information that has been recieved is protected under the non-discolsure agreement, and is frowned upon by the creators of the show. Sure his legal recourse against himself is minimal, or nothing but just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. If you wish to show a complete lack of respect to the creators, cast, crew and fans of the show, then thats his pregogative.

I didn't tell anyone. You are placing that onus on my opinion. Anything I say isn't on anyones behalf but my own and is my own opinion. If you don't like my opinion, thats your pregogative.

I can blame him for what people do with the information. If he doesn't publish it, The information doesn't get used in the way it had been on LP. Is that so hard to understand.

For your information, I have no respect for spoilerfix.com and Harry Knowles.

The only ridiculous thing here is that my opinion rubs you up the wrong way, you have to spend so much time on something that is "just a TV show"

If it wasn't him, it would be somebody else is a ridiculous argument that has no conclusion. Apply it to other situations and its farcical.

"If I didn't sleep with your wife, someone else would". Once again, just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should.

I'm not stirring up controversy here, and this isn't my site. I volunteer my free time to this.
If you think this is a record for blog comments, I'm afraid you don't read many logs.

It was good to see some kind of moral judgement by DarkUFO in the donation of advert money to charity, however, I would point out that this was announced quite a while after comments here about traffic increasing. Without this blog post, would a donation have been paid like that? I don't remember one last year.

Dark did do it in an irresponsible manner. He spend several days plugging the fact that he had the spoilers, even posting a poll called "Who is in the coffin?" and removing options every few days... That, on the front page was spoiler enough.
I have every right to post a viewpoint. You are the free speech advocate, do you seek to deny mine?

I at no point have implied a morally superior attitude to anyone who reads spoilers. I have stated that I dislike using spoilers as a sole reason to run a site, making a lot of money from hosting the rumours on free hosting websites.

I don't remember Andy contacting ABC, Bad Robot et al about the spoilers he posted, so why do the same ask before post rules apply to him? I didn't post the original article by the way.

I'm afraid yes, I do blame DarkUFO for the spoiler getting out, and of consequence, the damage caused to this site. I don't believe making money from other peoples work in the way that Andy has (regardless of any post-calling out charity donations) is a good way to do things. I didn't post the original article once again, so I have no comment to make on whether he had a right to reply, other than the lack of a right to reply in regards to his spoiler posts to ABC, Bad Robot et al.

Fans don't have lawyers. Fans don't have a say when it comes to being spoilt, once someone has posted them on the web. If DarkUFO posts them originally and "exclusively" and yes I quote that word, then I have to blame the source.

I compare Lost and Da Vinci as art. I could subsitute any show, and any artist, and the relevance of my argument remains the same. I am heated because I don't want to be spoilt, and I don't want DarkUFO's suggestions for posting it, which are frankly, weak being accepted as valid reasoning for someone aiding and abetting people ruining the way I enjoy the show.

I'm not arguing for censorship of the internet, I'm arguing for a bit of respect being shown to something that money is being made from without any right to make money. I don't make money. The running costs of Lostpedia far outway the income. A lack of censorship does not mean anarchy.

Don't quote Voltaire out of context either. How dare you use that for your argument, considering the suggestions you have made that I shouldn't be able to have my own opinion. That quote has nothing to do with being able to appropriate content, and everything to do with opinion, something that you seem to think I'm not allowed to express...

Just to quote you here, just to show how your argument is glib.

"Don't argue... that some how, one jerks actions invalidate our right to enjoy the show as we see fit."

Well guess what? One jerk's actions has done exactly that. By providing the information in the first place, it got posted on LP, and I hold Dark responsible for that.

You don't like that? Tough.

If you don't want to know DON'T READ IT. It says i...

2008-05-23T11:34:00.000-07:00

If you don't want to know DON'T READ IT. It says in BIG BOLD letters that it is a spoiler. Like anything else in life you have a choice.

"Anyone who says that spoilers are no big deal bec...

2008-05-23T10:09:00.000-07:00

"Anyone who says that spoilers are no big deal because you can choose not to read them has no clue. You have your head in the sand."

Says you. I'm still spoiler-free. I still believe I'll make it OK, but thanks for your concern.

BTW, where did you get spoiled? You should warn others since it was normally 'safe' place.

"I am completely confident that I will make it to ...

2008-05-22T12:36:00.000-07:00

"I am completely confident that I will make it to next Thursday without seeing anything spoilerish - unless I CHOSE to."

That's the way I felt...until early this week, when I stumbled across spoilers somewhere I thought was safe, but some jerk spammed them all over the place with no warning in an effort to spoil as many people as possible.

Hopefully you won't be spoiled. But I'd be a LOT more careful if you really want to avoid getting spoiled.

Anyone who says that spoilers are no big deal because you can choose not to read them has no clue. You have your head in the sand.

In a perfect world, spoilers would only be posted with warnings, so people would have the CHOICE to read them or not. I would have no objection to spoilers. But we are in the real world, and cretins post them all over, they get enjoyment in ruining it for other people.

Personally, I'd love to see ABC look into their legal options against people who leak things like this. Free speech has nothing to do with it, free speech doesn't protect distributing someone else's copyrighted material. Even if they can't block the spoilers (and I think maybe they could, considering entire episode descriptions are being posted), I'd love to see them take action against leaking sites and make them take down screenshots and clips and whatever else the law permits. These guys are scumbags, and I'd love to see them suffer the consequences of their actions.

This year's finale has probably been ruined for me, and if the things I read turn out to be true, I will be extremely pissed.

Re: Plktn sorry I posted in the wrong blog, appar...

2008-05-22T11:15:00.000-07:00

Re: Plktn sorry I posted in the wrong blog, apparently, I'm posting from work and have to do so in short quick bursts as this is not exactly what is considered "appropriate use" of my work computer and didn't realize I had clicked the wrong "post comment" link. I apologize for my mistake.

Now, on with this:

Drugs is a bad example because drugs are illegal. The dealer gets arrested because selling the drugs is a crime in itself. Guns work as an example because it is not a crime to sell guns. If drugs were legal, people would not arrest the dealers for someone getting high and causing an accident. Otherwise we'd arrest liquor store owners whenever there was a drunk driving accident.

Here's a better example, if I sell spray paint to an 18 year old, and he paints town hall, I don't get arrested, he does. Drugs will never work as an example because the act of selling them is a crime. At the most what Dark has done is a civil matter, and if the writers are all that upset with him, they can take him to court over it.

I am saying you don't blame Dark because what he is doing isn't illegal, he runs a website, he supplies a product to people who want it. You can't fault him for that. I bet LP spoils tons of people from nonUS countries every day, but apparently that's ok because LP posts spoiler warnings. Guess what, so does Dark! DarkUFO is a SPOILER SITE, he posts spoilers, that's what he does. Gun dealers sell guns, gas attendants sell gas, DARK DEALS IN SPOILERS. It's like blaming a duck for quacking, that's what ducks do. You don't like it, don't go near the ducks!

You may not like what he does, but he has EVERY RIGHT to do it. Unless ABC/TPTB decided to seek legal action against him, and win the claim, then you cannot tell him what he should or should not post. When ABC asked that it be removed, he listened and removed the spoilers. ABC dealt with it, they don't need you to continue on their behalf.

And, once again, you can't blame him for what people do with the information. Do you hate Harry at AICN for what happened last year? Do you hate everyone at spoilerfix.com? You're being utterly ridiculous and the more you argue your points, the more ridiculous you appear. Singling out Dark for the improper use of spoilers outside of his site is stupid, because if it wasn't him, it'd be someone else. You'll never get everyone to stop posting spoilers or reading spoilers, you're just stirring up controversy perhaps in an attempt to increase traffic to YOUR site. Hmmm. . .how about that. This blog has way more comments than any other blog entry I've read, by like. . .100. Looks like the "controversy" is generating a lot of traffic for the LP blog. . .

Not to mention, the proceeds from the major spoilers were donated to BREAST CANCER RESEARCH. So much for the claim that he's just trying to "make a quick buck". Did you even attempt to get a balanced view of the situation before you started accusing him of being a money grubbing slave to the almighty dollar?

If you want to blame someone, do it on an individual basis. Blame the people who use spoilers irresponsibly and leave the ones who do it in a responsible manner (Such as Dark) alone! He posted them, in a way that no one who didn't want to see them ON HIS SITE wouldn't be able to accidentally view them. He also did it in a format that made it very difficult for others to cut and paste elsewhere.

Once someone takes that information and puts it on another site, it is OUT OF HIS CONTROL. I mean should he shut down altogether because it's possible that any spoiler he posts from any episodes could end up being used by someone else to do harm?

As for why I'm continuing this debate, it's because some of the things posted here were personally insulting. And because I think it's unfair that you get to run about bashing people for really no good reason other than your own personal views and vendettas.

People on here have implied that they are some how morally superior to their fellow fans because they don't read spoilers. You know, KittyLili is a big spoiler fan, and she is also a huge part of LP and pretty much queen of the forum. To imply that people like her are a determent to the show or "part of the problem" is absurd. She, like others, puts a lot of time and effort into Lostpedia, but apparently this pales in comparison to her horrible actions as a dirty spoiler reader. . .(Hopefully she doesn't mind me using her as an example as she is the most prominent spoiler reader I know of on here).

To imply that people like KL are not as big a fan as people like you, is just plain wrong, insulting, and spits in the face of everything she has contributed to this site.

Spoilers happen, do you really have to go out of your way to say negative things about Andy, who has always been a big supporter of LP and I thought a friend to most of us on this site. He does not deserve this type of treatment, and if you really have that big an issue with him, rather than insulting him in a public blog where tons of people can read your posts and get a skewed version of what happened, why not contact him personally and discuss it with him like an adult, as he requested?

You say you "asked" him. No, you called him out. Asking him would have been giving him a heads up on the issue, and then asking if you can discuss a way to reach a mutual agreement. If one could not be reached, post the blog but include his side of the story. Otherwise you just become disreputable. Since when did the LP blog start operating on the "National Inquirer" rule of reporting?

You could have warned people about the spoilers getting out without making a point to blame Dark for everything. You have an issue with how he does business? Be a man and talk to him in private, don't air your grievances for tons of people to see, without providing his side of the story. That's the cowards way of dealing with things.

As for my "class issues" (LOL). It's not a financial class thing for me, it's just that it's uncalled for to imply you're morally superior to some of your fellow LPers and LOST fans for the sake of defending people who have the ability to higher lawyers and take care of it themselves. They don't need your help, they're not "the little guy", you're really just being a jerk to people because of how they choose to enjoy the show. Last time I checked ABC hadn't retained you as counsel in this matter.

BTW, comparing LOST to anything Di Vinci did is absurd, LOST is an amazing show, perhaps the best, but it's no Mona Lisa. And to say that Dark provided a service that makes at least 20,000 LOST fans happy and from their perspective enhances their enjoyment of the show is "craping on the writers bonfire" is idiotic. I doubt the writers loose much sleep over this, so why are you so heated?

I just think you should act civil (and if people had, I would have to but a lot of you deserve to get as good as you've been giving to your fellow fans), state that you don't like spoilers, and leave it at that, without the moral judgments. If if I was a religious person I'd say "let he without sin be the first to throw stones", and probably follow that up with "thou shalt not judge, lest you be judged".

People should be free to do whatever they want and no matter how much you bitch about this it won't change a damn thing. You're just doing this because you're upset with Dark and want everyone else to jump on your bandwagon rather than deal with it in a respectful and civil manner.

Saying "what I've asked DarkUFO to do is not publish for the good of the fan community" is still asking him to censor his website, no matter how you slice it. You can find out how to make bombs on the internet, watch child pornography, buy prescription drugs without a script and this is the cause you choose to champion?

"For the good of the fans", I'm sorry but when did we make you the leader of us? I don't remember voting. Not all people who are spoilerfree even agree with you, as evidenced by posts on this blog, so to imply that you have the right to speak for all of them is quite amazing. You're unhappy with what's going on, that's fine, you want to bitch about it, you're going about it in what I think is a poor fashion, but that's also fine.

You have the freedom to voice your concerns, to say whatever you want on the matter (as do I), but if you enjoy your ability to do this kind of thing, then you better not try to limit anyone else's ability to say/post what they want as well. Hate spoilers all you want, but don't think just because you don't like something means it doesn't have a right to exist.

As Voltaire said, "I may not like what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death". You can say you hate spoilers, you can post all the biased and insulting comments on the matter that you wish (though don't be surprised when you get similar replies), but once you request that someone else stop posting what they want, you've crossed a line.

No matter how you try to spin it, you're arguing to remove freedom of speech and freedom of information from the internet. It's all or nothing, and you're on the wrong side.

If you want to argue about what should be removed from the web for "the good" of others, why don't you visit godhatesfags.com, or one of the many KKK websites, or some child porno site and fight with them? At least then people will understand the righteous indignation you're spewing. If disgusting and reprehensible sites like that can post what they want, then Dark should be allowed to post whatever he wants. If Dark decided he wanted to post "LOST IS A PILE OF BILE AND THE WRITERS WEAR DIAPERS AND EAT SHIT FOR FUN" I would be upset and hate it, but I would acknowledge his right to do so.

As for my respect of the show, I have plenty of respect. I enjoy the show for more than the "twists" that keep most viewers tunning in every week. I recognize that it is not just the "most suspenseful" show on TV, but the best written, best directed, best acted, best scored show out there, possibly ever. I tune in for more than what spoilers supply me with, I respect all aspects of the show. Do not question my respect and/or love of LOST.

However, I don't pretend that it's not a business and that people do not profit from it. The point about the earnings is that they are more than capable of defending themselves. If they choose not to, then how about YOU respect that? It's not like they can't go after Dark if they so choose. Why are you going off on him in their name? Do you really think that the writers want to be attached with all the things you (going with the generic you for all those that have posted similar things) are saying? Do you think they want to have their name associated with blanket insults towards fans of the show? Do you really think that this is the way they would like to see this handled? I can't imagine the writers every daring to make the claim that spoiler readers aren't "real fans", or that they would not appreciate the fandom from spoiler readers as much as they do from their other fans.

Just as you don't speak for all LOST fans, you definately don't speak for those who work on the show either! If this is how they wanted to see it handled, they'd be on the internet ranting and raving in posts about it themselves. They are more than able to deal with the issue, they don't need reinforcements from the fanboy crowd. Dark, on the other hand, is the little guy in this situation. He's one person who has provided a great resource for LOST fans and has been repaid by having hoards of nerds coming out of the woodwork to bash him.

At the end of the day, the writers/producers/workers on the show did their job, they got paid and they go home. That is the point I was making. Saying that "their work" has been "ruined" is blowing things completely out of proportion. Ruined would mean people stop watching, the show gets dropped and canceled and they're all out of a job. Do you some how love the show less if you've been spoiled? Is you respect of the show so incredibly subjective that 3rd party actions can cause you to dislike it? If it doesn't taint your love or respect for the show, then in no way has it "ruined" it either.

Basically, 10 years from now, new viewers of the show will watch it in DVD form with the internet full of every little detail, they won't view it "as intended" either. Does that mean once an episode has aired it has been "ruined" for any potential new fans because spoilers are now available?

LP has detailed episode info prior to it airing in other countries. Does that mean that LP is "ruining" the show abroad? I saw it said that LP is a spoiler site for international users, so it's not the same. UM, hello? DarkUFO is a spoiler site too, everyone knows that. He divides the spoilers into a special section away from the main page, just as LP does. There is no difference here. If you don't want to get spoiled, you don't go. And if some ass wants to go out of his way to spoil you, then take it up with him!

And if you're all so upset over this, then why praytell, do you provide links to the spoilers on Dark's site in the spoiler section of the forum? Explain to me how that's any better than what Dark did? The spoilers are available right here on LP. In fact they're being discussed in the spoiler forum as we speak, even though Dark has since removed the spoilers from his site. And if you want to claim "well if we didn't contain them to the spoiler forum they'd get out all over the site", UM, I think that would be Dark's argument for why he also chose to post them.

If you want to talk about pots and kettles you might want to check out yourself first.

I just think you need an attitude adjustment. I know it must be hard to see my side from way up high on that pedestal of yours, but you might want to consider it. Heck, the fact that other "spoiler free" users disagree with you speaks volumes in and of itself.

Reply if you want, I've wasted far too much time talking to a brick wall. I'm not sure why I bothered, I've said my piece, your mind won't be changed, you'll continue to bully and look down upon spoiler readers as if they're some how "lesser" than the "real" fans of the show. But hopefully other people will read this and have a more open mind, and will understand that all fans of the show deserve the same amount of respect, regardless of how they choose to enjoy it, or show their appreciation for it, be it posting blogs online, or making a website dedicated to all the latest LOST news, spoilers and gossip.

We're all LOST fans, we all enjoy it in our own way. It sucks that one person had to go and vandalize the wikki and ruin it for some people, but don't you dare try to imply that the actions of one person in a group proves that all members of that group are the same way. Or that some how, one jerks actions invalidate our right to enjoy the show as we see fit.

Re: Pseydonym's comment on the other blog posting....

2008-05-22T08:54:00.000-07:00

Re: Pseydonym's comment on the other blog posting.

"No, you're absolutely wrong here. DarkUFO did not vandalize the wikki, some jackass did. His decision did not cause that. He did not put a gun to someone's head and say "Go forth and spoil the world, muwhahahahahahahah!""

No but isn't that the reasoning for him posting it? I'm pretty sure the "I'm taking the bullet" reasoning was given. DarkUFO was threatened with the ultimatum of it being posted all over the internet if he didn't post it. So he did, therefore giving the ammunition for these people to post this information onto LP...

"You're removing personal responsibility and placing all the blame on Dark. That's like saying gun suppliers are responsible for all gun related deaths. Once the "product" (in this case spoilers) has been "purchased" (or in this case, read) by the "consumer" (or in this case, the site users) DarkUFO is not liable for anything they do with it."

Well if they didn't sell the gun, people couldn't shoot people with it could they? Don't use guns as an example. Use drugs. Do you arrest the people who buy it to stop the spread, or the dealers?
Guns are a bad example. You seem to sing from the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" hymn sheet, but I'm pretty sure someone has to load the gun in order for it to be fired.

"I use to read spoilers, I didn't spoil other people. You cannot blame Dark for other people being morons. And if you're going to do that, why not go a step up and blame LostFan soley?? Since without him Dark couldn't have spoiled anything. Since LF would have released the spoilers regardless, then you can remove the blame from Dark and place it all on him, the originator of the spoilers."

I see. So you are removing any personal responsibility from Dark, cause after all, he had to make the concious decision to post the information, but then suggest everyone else should have some responsibility? You can't straddle both sides of the argument, cause someone will come along and kick you in the balls...

It is Lostfan108's fault for giving DarkUFO the information, but then I would think after the furore of last year's leak he'd think twice about releasing this again.

"You people are utterly ridiculous. It's a TELEVISION show not a religion. Get a life! I mean I have LOST related tattoos and I don't think I even begin to reach the level of ridiculous reverence for the show that some people on here have. "

Well seeing as you are insistant on continuing this debate, I would ask the pot to stop calling the kettle black.

"What, do you think TPTB are reading these comments saying to themselves "You tell them Pltkn! Thank you for being our knight in shinning armor!" They're not. They don't care. You know why? Because JJ and Darlton aren't starving artists. This is their job, they get up, go to work, provide a service, and go home. They might be disappointed about this, but I'm sure the copious amount of revenue the show generates for them more than makes up for that."

So its a financial and class thing for you? I'm pretty sure those guys are passionate about the fans and their reaction, and they would want to see Lost fan sites acting responsibly. They've given us a lot of lee-way with their copyrighted content, and we should respect that. They don't pee on our bonfire, and we don't pee on theirs... Except Dark, whose not only peed on their bonfire, but crapped on their hard work.

I'm pretty sure Leonardo Da Vinci made a lot of money from his many works, it doesn't give anyone the right to squat over one and plant a turd on it.

"At the end of the day, you're arguing to censor the internet, remove freedom of speech, freedom of choice and personal responsibility. Do you think that would make the world a better place? Shit happens, learn to deal with it. It's just TV."

No what I've asked DarkUFO to do personally, is not to publish it for the good of the fan community, and to report any information he has on Lostfan108 to ABC and Bad Robot Productions in order to nail who the person who leaked it, and who has reneged on their non-disclosure agreement. You sign an agreement like that, then you are contractually bound to limit your free speech, which I hasten to add is entirely legal.

As a fan I have a respect for the work that goes into the show, from the guy who takes the dailies from Hawaii to LA every day, up to JJ, Carlton and Damon. Regardless of the fruitless arguments of how much money they earn from the show.

Unfortunately, some people don't seem to have any respect for the work done by the crew and cast because of some resentment of earnings it seems.

Its far more than Carlton and Damon here, its hundreds of people who you are suggesting are paid enough to have their work ruined.

DarkUFO's argument was that because LostFan108 had threatened what he did, he had to place the spoiler on his site "for the sake of the community".

Surely that is Dark absolving himself of any personal responsibility over a TV show he loves so much, he's willing to ride rough shot all over it in order to get people visiting the site?

It sucks for the writers, but spoilers are bound t...

2008-05-22T08:28:00.000-07:00

It sucks for the writers, but spoilers are bound to leak out one way or another. If you don't want them to, you can't trust anyone. It's as simple as that. I do read them when they come out, and no, it doesn't ruin the episode for me. I'm often still as shocked as when I read it, when I actually see it. Seeing and reading are very different things.