tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post2998825415266532176..comments2023-10-25T06:16:20.123-04:00Comments on Lostpedia Blog: The Lost Rewatch: 1x24 "Exodus, Part 2"Jabberwockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07886141036635080006noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-86118893825354793702009-08-14T13:25:25.431-04:002009-08-14T13:25:25.431-04:00Or is Hurley so good that if he's on the islan...Or is Hurley so good that if he's on the island, a shift happens?Paithan1https://www.blogger.com/profile/18275512522053521379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-19486889738605927252009-08-07T15:41:18.012-04:002009-08-07T15:41:18.012-04:00Rousseau didn't say when she heard whispering ...Rousseau didn't say when she heard whispering about the boy - and since we weren't there when she did hear it, we can't be sure whether she heard actual whispered conspiring by the others or "the whispers" of unknown origin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-22643863608016015312009-07-23T04:43:01.466-04:002009-07-23T04:43:01.466-04:00nago, I agree with that last point and I think tha...nago, I agree with that last point and I think that will be a major theme for the last season; the differences with Locke and Jack will paralel with Jacob and Nemesis.<br /><br />Seeing as it's widely thought that the smoke monster is Nemesis (or some agent thereof), is it possible that Jacob has some similar form as well, and this could be what John saw to start with? Keeping in mind that that was (moderately) sane, in tune with the island Locke.<br /><br />The other thing, with Hurley being stopped getting to the island, I'm surprised no one mentioned how this is completely opposite to how Jacob emplored him to go to the island the second time. Someone mentioned something along the lines of the people controlling what Hurley does through the bird and Dave. I'm starting to get the feeling, as someone mentioned, that Hurley is ultimately going to be pivotal to the story, perhaps being the deciding factor in some sort of Jacob and Nemesis battle.Patrick Mathiesonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-23364033199756790602009-07-21T13:18:29.278-04:002009-07-21T13:18:29.278-04:00A few things that stuck with me:
-Arzt, who is ver...A few things that stuck with me:<br />-Arzt, who is very tempermental, dies after saying the nitroglycerine is very tempermental. <br />-Sun looks at her wedding ring then out to sea, where Jin has gone. Altho Jin returns to her this time, the next time his "ship/raft" explodes, she thinks he's dead, UNTIL she sees his ring.<br />-Shannon asks Sun,"Who do you think is punishing us?" Sun replies, "FATE" So Sun believes in destiny, putting her on Jacob's side.<br />-Sun asks Claire what Aaron means. Claire doesn't know. Later Mr. Eko will tell her.<br />-Locke does nothing as smoke monster drags him to his "destiny". Last season, Jack refused to help boy Ben, doing nothing because that leads to his destiny.<br />-Jack and Locke working together again, on the same path, getting the dynamite and blowing the hatch.<br />-Jack and Locke's conversation after Jack "saved" John from Smokie. "Each one of us brought here for a reason. Destiny chose us. Island brought us here. Boone is a sacrifice the island demanded. It's a line of destiny--events leading to this point. Survival is all relative." This reminds me of the conversation between Jacob and the Nemesis. They discussed how the violence and killing was leading forward. It's all progress. Part of the process. Locke sounds more like Jacob here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-40545926378380869082009-07-21T11:56:48.934-04:002009-07-21T11:56:48.934-04:00furthermore the mib (who some have theorized contr...furthermore the mib (who some have theorized controls the monster) thinks all humans are bad or at least that was the implication from his conversation with jacob. so wouldn't he just judge everyone if he really was judging if they were bad people. besides lost has made a point of not having any "evil" characters over the years. there is always some reason the characters (including the antagonists) have for flawed actions so why would they judge their own characters as "bad" by having them get eaten by a "judge." i think it would undercut the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-2742311244168581792009-07-21T11:52:48.427-04:002009-07-21T11:52:48.427-04:00one thing i noticed when watching the episode in w...one thing i noticed when watching the episode in which ben goes to the smoke monster and sees alex, is that the monster behaves weirdly in the episode. usually ben can summon it but it doesn't come while locke is there. so locke makes ben go to the monster instead and then when ben falls through the floor locke "goes to get some rope" and disappears for awhile. then the smoke comes and then right after the smoke leaves locke comes back. so maybe the smoke can't be the smoke and locke at the same time and thats why it couldn't come at first. <br />as for the smoke being a judge... i don't think it is. i think that it judges people based on whether or not they can be manipulated. ben and locke and eko all stayed alive after a face down with the monster, but then when eko became certain he was killed. and that pilot in the first episode was a good guy as far as we can tell (based on lapidus assertion that he was a committed husband) so i don't see why he would be killed if the smoke judges good and evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-9822183837739759702009-07-20T18:32:03.086-04:002009-07-20T18:32:03.086-04:00I have a couple of random ideas...
1. RE Locke an...I have a couple of random ideas...<br /><br />1. RE Locke and the Smoke Monster... I know there are a lot of people who believe that the monster judges people, and with that in mind, the difference between Locke this time and the first time he saw the Monster is that now he has the guilt of Boone's death with him. Perhaps the monster was trying to drag him into a vent so it should judge him or perhaps it already judged him and was trying to kill him... or something else along these lines... <br /><br />2. RE Hurley nearly missing the plane... Perhaps fate isn't something beyond Jacob and his Nemesis, but they are each opposing hands of fate. The Nemesis could have been working to keep Hurley off the plane, while Jacob could have been working to get him on the island.... or something like that...Ashleigh Rajalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09949087490789030146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-88265518022990085842009-07-20T15:15:17.703-04:002009-07-20T15:15:17.703-04:00Joe, as far as Ben summoning Smokie... It's p...Joe, as far as Ben summoning Smokie... It's possible Black Shirt has been giving Ben and the Others certain assumptions/abilities with Smokie over the years - including the ability to summon it. <br /><br />And assuming that Ben and Locke are the central players in Black Shirt's scheme, then he'd probably send Smokie to Ben's aid when Keamy's team was about to kill/capture them all. Keeping Ben and Locke alive was in Black Shirt's interest.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178362067020665429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-25246334855065381922009-07-20T13:08:44.249-04:002009-07-20T13:08:44.249-04:00If smokey is the man in black and vice versa, then...If smokey is the man in black and vice versa, then how was Ben able to summon smokey to attack Keamy etc?Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611798986640109143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-80452455289581647382009-07-20T05:20:36.255-04:002009-07-20T05:20:36.255-04:00Jacks comment about Locke and games really gave me...Jacks comment about Locke and games really gave me the creeps… the same theme as with Locke explaining Backgammon to Walt. It is really fun to rewatch the show through the lens of 'the incident'.<br /><br />But I don't believe that 'Esau' is smokey.<br />I think smokey is 'Esaus' dog.BuckarooBanzaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03574341069720879530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-63793190655614565842009-07-19T23:23:31.621-04:002009-07-19T23:23:31.621-04:00Two things struck me from this episode... well, th...Two things struck me from this episode... well, three, but two big things: one, we finally see the smoke monster in all its glory. <br /><br />Two, the Hurleybird. It clearly screams, "Hurley," twice. In a later episode ("Live Together, Die Alone"), Hurley will comment on hearing it. If you go to Wikipedia and look up "Horus" you will see a depiction of that Egyptian God that is found in the Louvre. To me, that looks like the Hurleybird. <br /><br />Surely Hurely (ha!) is important to the whole story. I don't think he fought fate by getting on flight 815. Sure, it looked like he missed the flight, but that doesn't mean he wasn't destined to be on it. And yes, Jacob's appearance to him affirms his importantance.<br /><br />I'm guess the Hurleybird is either a direct reference to Egyptian deity, something that seems to be emphasized in the show more and more (not the bird as a reference to Egyptian gods, but the presence of the Egyptian gods themselves), or an incarnation of Jacob. At the least, the bird could be a messenger of Jacob. If I remember correctly, the bird screams at Hurley shortly before Smokey comes on the scene. If Jacob's enemy is Smokey, the bird could be warning Hurley about Smokey.<br /><br />And we see Smokey and Locke wants Jack to let him go, which is an odd reaction. But, after all, Locke looked into its "eye" and saw it was beautiful. <br /><br />After that, there's important dialogue between Jack and Locke. It's so important I'll post it below:<br /><br />JACK: That thing was taking you down the hole and you asked me to let you go. <br />LOCKE: It wasn’t going to hurt me. <br />JACK: No, John, it was going to kill you. <br />LOCKE: I seriously doubt that. <br />JACK: Look, I need for you – I need for you to explain to me what the hell’s going on inside your head, John. I need to know why you believe that that thing wasn’t going to... <br />LOCKE: I believe that I was being tested. <br />JACK: Tested? <br />LOCKE: Yeah, tested. <br />JACK: I think... <br />LOCKE: That’s why you and I don’t see eye-to-eye sometimes, Jack – because you’re a man of science. <br />JACK: Yeah, and what does that make you? <br />LOCKE: Me, well, I’m a man of faith. Do you really think all this is an accident – that we, a group of strangers survived, many of us with just superficial injuries? Do you think we crashed on this place by coincidence – especially, this place? We were brought here for a purpose, for a reason, all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason. <br />JACK: Brought here? And who brought us here, John? <br />LOCKE: The Island. The Island brought us here. This is no ordinary place, you’ve seen that, I know you have. But the Island chose you, too, Jack. It’s destiny. <br />JACK: Did you talk with Boone about destiny, John? <br />LOCKE: Boone was a sacrifice that the Island demanded. What happened to him at that plane was a part of a chain of events that led us here – that led us down a path – that led you and me to this day, to right now. <br />JACK: And where does that path end, John? <br />LOCKE: The path ends at the Hatch. The Hatch, Jack – all of it – all of it happened so that we could open the Hatch. <br />JACK: No, no, we’re opening the Hatch so that we can survive. <br />LOCKE: Survival is all relative, Jack. <br />JACK: I don’t believe in destiny. <br />LOCKE: Yes, you do. You just don’t know it yet. <br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, that's long, but it's very important to the themes of the show. We now know that it wasn't just coincidence that brought the 815 survivors together. <br /><br />Finally, I like that the episode ends with Locke and Jack looking down the shaft underneath the hatch. It's a great picture of what has happened in Season 1: they've scratched the surface of the depth of the island and are about to enter the depths of its mysteries. And I think it shows how Jack and Locke are so important and will probably be there right at the end of the entire series.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15489332130493602467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-83010217098784350142009-07-19T19:27:12.793-04:002009-07-19T19:27:12.793-04:00Great idea about Fate trying to keep Hurley from g...Great idea about Fate trying to keep Hurley from getting to the island. Also "idledandy" for noticing Dave trying to have Hurley kill himself. I always hated the "Dave" episode until you suggested it may be Black Shirt's way of having Hurley off himself -- but why? <br /><br />Like may others, I'm starting to feel Hurley is going to take up Jacob's side in this final light vs dark battle. For one, Hurley is the only person besides Locke who got to see "Jacob"'s cabin, and there's got to be a reason for this. And two, Jacob gave Hurley and especially long speech in "The Incident" giving Hurley the right to choose.Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178362067020665429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-5722321015438661722009-07-19T07:30:25.983-04:002009-07-19T07:30:25.983-04:00Is there any other info on the Hurleybird? Or is ...Is there any other info on the Hurleybird? Or is that a lost cause to pursue? But on the same note, the Hurleybird could be along the same lines as the Island trying to get Hurley to freak out and kill himself. Or maybe the Hurleybird was saying Hurley's name as a curse or like "curses, it Hurley!" The good guy!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07196503838859170798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-30303340098157813052009-07-18T18:47:48.289-04:002009-07-18T18:47:48.289-04:00Sam, you got it all wrong. When you said Jack didn...Sam, you got it all wrong. When you said Jack didn't let go in the Incident, you are implying that Sawyer did let go. He didn't let go, Juliet did.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222080960587312722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-29354852094400685662009-07-18T17:12:21.172-04:002009-07-18T17:12:21.172-04:00Interesting note about Hurley, how fate seems to b...Interesting note about Hurley, how fate seems to be keeping him off the plane. <br /><br />This goes along with a thought I had rewatching "Dave" last week. Dave's goal is to get Hurley to kill himself. If on-island Dave is more than Hurley's imagination (Darlton referred to him as "figment of imagination slash apparition,") maybe Smokey is trying to do away with Hurley because he will be an important force for Jacob/light/good. We've certainly had hints that Hurley will be important.idledandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4920393039273628205.post-40734365321754911672009-07-18T15:55:26.934-04:002009-07-18T15:55:26.934-04:00oooo first post!!!!
No big posts today...I hope.
...oooo first post!!!!<br /><br />No big posts today...I hope.<br /><br />I do agree with Sam in the fact that Locke saw something different in walkabout. Locke asks Jack to let him go. What bothers me is why. This seems like another one of those retarded idea Locke tends to have. Anyone have any thoughs?<br /><br />Sam could you clairify your fist bullet? I getting lost on subject agreement. Hurley tell Arzt what, and in who's head.<br /><br />As for Hurley possibly tring to be kept off 815 by the island is an intresting idea...It seems like we are coming across more and more hurley cyclictral(really bad spelling) ideas. Is it me or is he the only one to be effected like this. Most other time jumping wierdness has been explained. Daniel and charlottes thing, Richard helping Lockes leg and so forth. Could Hurley be the key to all this? Anyone feel free to jump in I'm very "lost" on coming to any good conclusions today.<br /><br />Ace "Dhrama free for 5 post" WillcoAce Willconoreply@blogger.com