Comments on Lostpedia Blog: The Lost Rewatch: 1x05 "White Rabbit"

I don't think Charlie can swim that well. There wa...

2009-07-21T14:56:49.665-07:00

I don't think Charlie can swim that well. There was a person caught in a rip tide, and as he wasn't a strong swimmer, he would be useless. And if someone is drowning, you don't take your time to explain this, you just simply say "I can't swim".
In season three when he says he was a great swimmer, he saying this just because he knew it had to be him that went down to the Looking Glass. Jack wouldn't have let him unless he wasn't confident.
You can even see in the finale of season 3 that Desmond is clearly a better swimmer than Charlie.

@That Dude: I entirely agree. I don't think the a...

2009-07-19T21:19:21.103-07:00

@That Dude: I entirely agree. I don't think the absence of a body in any way proves Christian is in some way reanimated. The crash v. actual landing angle is very astute. Also, @VJB02: I've often been nothered by that. He goes from "I don't swim!" in season one to "I am a kick ass swimmer and will save you all!" in season three. Do you think that's just a continuity error, or does it tell us something about Charlie? Was he lying in this episode?

Forty seven people on the island and Jack is the o...

2009-06-16T22:03:19.835-07:00

Forty seven people on the island and Jack is the only one who goes in the water for an attempted rescue. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Also the fact that Locke, who was on a water run (he knows where to look) suddenly appears to save Jack from falling off the cliff.

Sorry to double post, but this comment had more re...

2009-06-16T20:34:54.999-07:00

Sorry to double post, but this comment had more relevance to this episode.

In response to your comment Imisscharlie, regarding Charlie Swimming (and the comment given above).

You're quite right in saying that Charlie couldn't swim in the first season but suddenly could do so in Season 3 to get to the looking glass.

(I don't think that Charlie didn't want to swim in White Rabbit because he was scared or was "Dark").

There is also a suggestion that he would have drowned (as he could not swim very well) if he had tried to save Claire in Flashes Before Your Eyes. Desmond saved her instead.

There was a theory around the time of the end of Season 3, that Desmond was able to change the past. In Greatest Hits, when Charlie is being taught to swim by his Dad at the public pool, you can hear someone shout "Wait up Desmond" or something of the like. The theory being that Desmond was able to re-live the day like he did others and somehow changed it (as Faraday said, Desmond is "special", i.e. the rules don't apply to him and he and only he can change the past.)

Perhaps in the previous version of events before the hatch exploded and Desmond obtained his ability to re-live the past, Charlie never got into the pool because he was too scared and therefore never learnt to swim. However in the alternate future, somehow Desmond encouraged Charlie to get in the pool, (perhaps minutes earlier) which changed Charlie's life ever so slightly to allow him to know how to swim.

If something is occupying the actual dead body..oh...

2009-06-16T15:48:53.730-07:00

If something is occupying the actual dead body..oh man that body is gonna start to rot. Kinda night of the living dead you know.

Perhaps..just perhaps...what we are seeing is the Island's ability to pluck people from different times before they have died and place them where it wants them to be. And that is right that Michael heard the whispers then suddenly Christian appears like he was transported to the ship thru time and space.

Charlie said that yes he was dead, but that he was here also. After death maybe the Island can go back and get living people to use from the past or even an alternate time line.

And who would be the one to do this? Jacob or the MIB? Sometimes it seems that the use of dead folk is for good so therefore is it Jacob? Sometimes for bad, MIB?

Another thought..an incident brought down 815, so can incidents be triggered thru past times to suck in something like the Black Rock? Obviously Jacob brings fresh talent to the Island per the MIB to use in their games.

And the numbers are the end result of an equation that supposedly predicts the end of the world per Dhrama. Did Jacob bring the Dhrama folk to the Island?

Lots to think about over the next 7 months.

I don't think Christian's body disappearing is tha...

2009-06-16T13:12:20.158-07:00

I don't think Christian's body disappearing is that crazy an occurrence. With 815, the plane tore open and cargo (dead bodies included) were tossed across the island. It is very possible that Christian's body is lying somewhere in the jungle, and was separated from the coffin in the fall. In 316, the flight actually landed, allowing all cargo (dead bodies included) to be collected by the passengers.

Many argue that instead of just being copied by the Monster, Christian's body was actually inhabited, but there are several occasions where this wouldn't have been possible, such as on the Kahana with Michael, and possibly with Locke and the FDW. I am not excluding habitation as a possibility, but we have definitive scenes where that wasn't an option.

In short, I don't feel that two different ways of "resurrection" are necessary to explain what is happening. The smoke monster may be manipulating the body occasionally, but he is ALWAYS manipulating the soul.

So, think about dat.

I have always believed that Claire died in that ex...

2009-06-16T07:20:40.231-07:00

I have always believed that Claire died in that explosion, but just didn't finish til Christian came for her and Aaron was safe. How some can be dead/undead and then we have Locke who is a corpse but possessed is beyond me. I believe that it will be made clear somehow by next year's season ending.

Just how did Christian get out of that coffin? Is there an unlock feature inside coffins? I know that in the past people feared being buried alive, but with modern embalming and rituals I doubt that it is a problem. I have never noticed some malfunction feature in coffins and besides the one Christian was in looked pretty standard didn't it? Jack had to break it open didn't he? And is there some importance to the fact that Locke was in some weird metal case instead of the coffin we saw him in at first? Coffins are shipped as is like Christian's got shipped from Sydney. Who made it part of the shipping to dump John out of his coffin and put him in what looks like a metal shipping crate?

Could our walking dead be just hallucinations the island causes? I mean Christian was on the Island but he appeared to Jack at the hospital. Charlie got around a good bit didn't he? He was in the store and he talked at length to Hugo at the hospital. He even said "I am dead, but I am here also" or words to that effect. Even Jacob acknowledged that Hugo saw dead people..he didn't say Hugo imagined them.

This episode has always seemed to be the one to set up the different cast members in situations that they maintained throughout the series. Jack the conflicted Dr. Sawyer the con man, Kate the runner, Sayid the damaged soldier, Locke the nature man. Jin and Sun the couple who always overcomes their problems and so on.

I saw some hints of the future like everyone else..we didn't notice it at the time and why should we? In fall 2004 we were going one episode at a time not having any of the knowledge we have now.

This got me thinking about when Ben saw His dead m...

2009-06-16T04:29:54.986-07:00

This got me thinking about when Ben saw His dead mother on the island, Richard said to him that seeing someone dead on the island that didn't die there was very special. Every other apparition that I can think of died on the island. So Ben is special after all?

I'm confused about why everyone is so sure Christi...

2009-06-15T23:43:15.271-07:00

I'm confused about why everyone is so sure Christian is the monster. I realize that Christian has been resurrected like John is in fifth season and John in fifth season is clearly possessed by something dark (most likely the monster). But the situation is different because there is a body separate from the John we see walking around that is undeniably dead. Other possible candidates for this kind of apparition like Yemi and Boone (maybe although he was in a dream) also have bodies buried elsewhere on the island. I guess what makes me question Christian's evilness the most is that he was with Claire in the cabin and I just don't see her as evil. They've made a point of her being a figure of goodness and it seems weird for her to stand for something else. Furthermore I believe Claire is dead from that explosion because of Miles' weird behavior around her and because I don't see how she could survive and the only reason I think she would leave Aaron would be if she was no longer a member of the living, plus she was in the company of a dead guy. But she obviously didn't leave a body behind or Sawyer would have seen it when he carried her out of the wreckage so she can't have been resurrected the same way John was. So maybe Smokey isn't the only one that can raise the dead. Hurley can see dead people and Jacob basically told him it was a blessing (as in not a demonic possession thing). I just think there has to be some kind of equal opposing force to the Smokey impersonations.
Although I guess if Claire was evil it could make sense with the Taweret statue. On a site I read it said that she was both a deity of childbirth and a demoness. And apparently would kill to protect her young. (Random: that reminds me of Amy and wanting to kill Sayid, theme?) So now I just refuted my own point...
Although I just had a thought. Maybe the reason the Others can appear so quickly and disappear (like Goodwin's wife in the Other Woman) is because they are dead or at least some of them are. That would explain why some of them can move like Christian does in the White Rabbit. I know someone had pointed out that the Others negotiated for bodies on another discussion I read and that Ben destroyed the bodies perhaps to prevent the people from coming back? However Richard said he had never seen a resurrection and he had no reason to lie, so I'm stuck.

I thought Charlie said that he "don't swim"?

2009-06-15T19:47:52.939-07:00

I thought Charlie said that he "don't swim"?