Comments on Lostpedia Blog: The Lost Rewatch: 1x01 "Pilot, Part 1"

I only just noticed that the first two times we se...

2009-07-18T22:49:09.184-07:00

I only just noticed that the first two times we see Hurley he's clutching a watch. I wonder what that's about.

Yes, and also the guy in the suit and red sneakers...

2009-06-20T23:06:24.200-07:00

Yes, and also the guy in the suit and red sneakers that desmond and eloise see crushed by scaffolding (although only a visual motif in that scene)

sayid'sgirl:
a lot of people are talking about the differences in jack's count to five story as evidence that he's lying to try to make himself look better or whatever. it's far more simple than that: he's trying to help kate to calm down and focus on the task at hand, by telling an anecdote to illustrate a mental trick that has worked for him in the past. including a whole bunch of unnecessary information about his troubled relationship with his dead father in the anecdote would just be confusing and, well, unnecessary. (there is also a trace of him subconsciously still working through his father issues in the way he tells the story, but this is subconscious, and not evidence that he's a lying fraud, or that there's a new timeline etc.)

I always thought that the scene where kate takes t...

2009-06-15T00:17:08.882-07:00

I always thought that the scene where kate takes the shoes off the dead body was supposed to be a reference to the wizard of oz. dorothy takes the ruby slippers off a pair of legs sticking out from under a house before leaving the relative safety of munchkinland to venture into the unknown land of oz just as kate removes the hiking boots off a pair of legs sticking out from under airplane wreckage before venturing from the relative safety of the beach into the unknown depths of the jungle. although technically dorothy doesn't remove her slippers physically, but has them magically transported onto her feet by glinda. still the image of feet sticking out is the same.

Frowny: Christian may of been reanimated by Jacob ...

2009-06-11T10:54:43.372-07:00

Frowny: Christian may of been reanimated by Jacob (Not Jacob's Nemesis) and in a different way?
His body might of fallen into sea (I cannot remember if the coffin was open or not =/)

But those two things are highly unlikely. Christian is an interesting & confusing subject. One of the biggest mysterious.

The mobisode is what gives me pause in the whole "...

2009-06-11T10:49:52.343-07:00

The mobisode is what gives me pause in the whole "Christian is an agent of Jacob's nemesis" thing. Why, if he was talking to a dog, would he need to call Jack "my son?" Why would Christian and Locke be manifested at the same time? Why is there no body, like there is with Locke? No, unlike Locke, I think Christian Shepherd is genuinely reanimated, though I have no idea why. Yet.

Patrick - I do agree with you that Vincent is just...

2009-06-11T09:39:36.458-07:00

Patrick -
I do agree with you that Vincent is just a dog. I don't think he's anything more than that. But two things:
1. I didn't really follow the logic of your argument. What do you mean when you say "Vincent doesn't really seem to have fallen in with this crowd" and how did you make the leap from that to Vincent being an embodiment of Jacob? Can you elaborate?
2. I hate to be "that girl" - but I have to say it. Damon and Carlton have pretty much said that nothing that happens outside the actual show is canon, so I don't really think we can use the mobisodes as a foundation for any theories. They're just enhancements. (Though I suppose the "specialness" of Vincent isn't really a major plot point, so it doesn't matter much where you get your information. So never mind.)

I started rewatching a little early (already up to...

2009-06-11T02:10:44.703-07:00

I started rewatching a little early (already up to season 3), and the thing I noticed about the Pilots was that some things didn't quite match up; namely, the monster. In the pilots, it didn't really act like it ever has after, generally going for "coming out of holes and judging people" rather than "riding a bulldozer through the jungle and pulling strangers from planes".

But the main thing I wanted to mention, was Vincent. While the suggestion that he is something more sounds good, there is an obvious flaw; the mobisode where Christian tells Vincent he has work to do. Christian is generally regarded to be some work of Jacob's Nemesis. Vincent doesn't really seem to have fallen in with this crowd, which would mean, if this theory is subscribed to, that he is with/is an embodiment of Jacob. Hence you can see the flaw of these two co-operating/Jacob taking commands from his nemesis. I think Vincent is what he is; a dog who turns up at convienient times. Jacob may have had as much to do with him as reviving him if he died in the crash as someone above theorised.

I think, at this infant stage of the series, it's a bit much to look into some things a bit to deeply.

But I will give credit for avoiding a common phenonomen (sorry can never spell that) of embelishing (another) certain things; taking situations for which there is no evidence or suggestion and theorising thus. Things like Rose being on the island before because of the noise, or other red herrings like that; that mean nothing and should be taken at face value.

Cheers for a good review

"Walt asks if the thing shaking the trees is his d...

2009-06-09T20:11:42.641-07:00

"Walt asks if the thing shaking the trees is his dog, Vincent, one of the dumbest lines of the entire series."

Sam, I love that you pointed this out. This ranks up there in groan-inducing lines on 'Lost' with Jack asking Ana Lucia how long it will take to build an army (probably the most shamelessly abandoned plot line in the whole series) and that horribly cheeseball question that Sun asks fLocke when he says he wants to take them to see Jacob. These scenes actually make ME feel embarrassed just watching them.

Also, I loved learning the truth about Jack's "Count to 5" story in "The Incident." It was such an interesting and appropriate revelation that Jack conveniently left his father out of the story. And for those who think that Christian was simply added in to that story for effect in Season 5, I disagree. Christian first arrived (err, appeared) only three episodes later in 'Walkabout.' "White Rabbit" and "All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" would cement Jack's struggle to distance himself from his father, a conflict/theme that would permeate the series. I believe that Lindelcuse knew what they were doing with his story from the start.

regarding one of the inconsistencies in the jin/su...

2009-06-07T23:10:26.157-07:00

regarding one of the inconsistencies in the jin/sun wedding, the rings is the most obvious difference. her ring is no longer white gold/platinum as we saw several times throught the seasons (specifically in the episode when she loses her ring). the ring at the wedding jacob went to is gold and looks completely different.

So very excited about the Lost re-watch. I have t...

2009-06-07T00:07:46.547-07:00

So very excited about the Lost re-watch. I have the summers off and have my own personal re-watch after each season but am glad to be following a schedule as I am a huge Lost fan and although this is my first contribution to a blog, I have been watching Lost since day one!

I would like to believe that the white shoe IS significant and in fact the shoe Christian wore. Why else put that image there other than to foreshadow the grim chaos that Jack walks into. When it comes to this show I lean towards the "faith" side. I believe that there has GOT to be a REASON why they are all there.

Could the reason why Jack left out Christian's presence in his count to five story because he was still so furious at his dad? Remember, they were estranged to say the least. As Kate sews him up, Jack says "I knew I had to deal with it" and sheds a tear. He could be thinking about his father there. Or he could have simply left dad out and told the story the way he did to put Kate at ease from the trauma they've just experienced.

I think it's so funny to see how characters have stayed consistent throughout the seasons. Kate insisting to come on the trek even when Jack tries to talk her out of it is the first of many such incidents.

Never really thought much about Vincent but he kind of freaks me out sitting there watching the three trek to the cockpit. If Christian represents the (anti)Jacob as does the other dead people that visit other lostees (Yemi, Hurley's friend from the psych ward) and Vincent is shown being sent from Christian to Jack then maybe, I don't know... maybe Vincent is an evil dog! (silly I know...) I will keep an eye out for him in other episodes.

As I am enjoying this post and all it's comments I...

2009-06-06T12:19:53.281-07:00

As I am enjoying this post and all it's comments I decide to look down at the clock and of course it was 3:16. I consider LOST to be the greatest piece of entertainment I have ever had the joy of watching. Shortly after this post I will go enjoy the start of my LOST re-watch. Thank you everyone, it's been a pleasure sharing this with you all. Now on to the greatness.....one more time. :)

I noticed an amusing detail as Jack, Kate and Char...

2009-06-05T07:47:15.425-07:00

I noticed an amusing detail as Jack, Kate and Charlie were off on their trek: Kate wonders if perhaps she and Charlie had met before they crash, and he says (more or less) that it would be very unlikely. What a great example of irony (or even prolepsis) since we will gradually learn of NUMEROUS examples of characters paths crossing prior to Flight 815 (although Kate and Charlie, in fact, do not).

Charlie wrote "LATE" on his finger bandages in thi...

2009-06-05T06:54:21.438-07:00

Charlie wrote "LATE" on his finger bandages in this episode (as evidenced by the bandages being left on the trail when Ethan took Claire and Charlie). "FATE" was written on them later.

Aboutthe white tennis shoes ... if I remember corr...

2009-06-04T23:28:52.460-07:00

Aboutthe white tennis shoes ... if I remember correctly the coffin with Jack's father was empty, leading us to believe that the apparition of Christian really could be his body somehow come to life. The shoe might signify that the body was thrown out of the coffin somehow, that's why the coffin was empty? And that Christian is in fact Jacob's nemesis, as now seems to be the case?

I doubt the white tennis shoes in the trees near J...

2009-06-04T14:34:51.835-07:00

I doubt the white tennis shoes in the trees near Jack could be Christian's, because in the mobisode we see that Christian is already wearing the shoes when he tells Vincent to go wake up Jack.

niclole lol That's ok. I'm rarely understood. I a...

2009-06-04T13:53:08.520-07:00

niclole
lol That's ok. I'm rarely understood.

I agree that what happened, happened up to where the bomb was detonated by Juliet. It's after the bomb explodes that I think all bets are off.That's where what happened, happened stops.
I'm not sure exactly where Jacob fits in. If he's before or after the bomb explodes.

Desmond's experience with the electromagnetism when he turned he key was that he traveled through his own past relived it with slight variations and returned to his original time.

I don't think Jack's story is a continuity error either. I think there was suppose to be 2 stories because there were 2 stories.

To be fair someone at TLC blog brought up the variations in Jin and Sun's wedding. (Thanks memphish) So when I read this. That's when I decided Jack's version of the story wasn't Jack trying to sound brave but the actual events changed for some reason. And like I said this is all theory and I'm probably wrong. But it seems possible to me.

I hope this clears my ramblings up a little better.

By the way. Sun and Jin's wedding (In Translation) is near the end of season 1 so it will be a few weeks before we get to it in the re watch. I'll try to remember to explain the differences then.

Sayid'sgirl - I'm not 100% sure I understand what ...

2009-06-04T09:39:51.333-07:00

Sayid'sgirl - I'm not 100% sure I understand what you mean, so I apologize if I screw it up somehow.
But I don't think the bomb is going to change anything. "What happened, happened" means that whatever happened with the bomb always happened that way. Nothing they showed about the "incident" gave me any indication that things didn't happen exactly the way we've been told they did. We even saw how Chang lost his arm. And just because the episode ended in a bright light doesn't mean the island exploded, or even that the bomb went off. Lost is great at making you think one thing and then showing you that it was actually something completely different. I'm not jumping into any conclusions about what happened with that bomb until I see next season's premiere. But I feel pretty confident that it didn't change anything.

I don't know what you mean about the variations in Sun and Jin's wedding. I don't remember the episode where they got married before - I'll look forward to seeing what you mean when I get that far in the re-watch. But as far as the "count-to-five" story - I don't think this is a continuity error. I think it was absolutely intentional. I just don't think it was planned from episode 1. I picture them sitting around the writer's room this season, and someone said "what if we do a flashblack to that count-to-five story, but we show that Jack left out some details? What if we throw Christian in there?" and everyone else said "Oh, that's cool! And that's where we can show Jack meeting Jacob!" and everyone said OK.

Well I had a nice post here explaining my thoughts...

2009-06-04T07:52:00.044-07:00

Well I had a nice post here explaining my thoughts. But when I copied it, it disappeared and yesterdays post took it's place. Go figure. I'll try to remember what I said.

nicole
Ok I may have used the wrong words by saying different timelines. Miles has already said that when Linus turned the wheel time is no longer a straight line for us.
The 2004 they've experienced is their past as you know. Depending on what happens with the bomb they may experience 2004 differently. If it should come back around for them again. In other words if they were to expeience time from the point in 1977 they are in now through 2004 again. 2004 would be different experiences.

I agree what happened, happened up to this point. But the bomb may put a twist on things. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

I at first also thought Jack was telling his version of the story to put himself in a good light. Until I realized that Jin and Sun's wedding had some slight variations. And I couldn't believe that they had made 2 continuity errors. Which is why I believe it's intentional.

This of course is only a theory and I could be completely wrong in my theory. But I still think it was intentional.

Sayid'sgirl - as the show has repeatedly tried to ...

2009-06-03T22:17:17.191-07:00

Sayid'sgirl - as the show has repeatedly tried to explain over season 5: What Happened, Happened. There are not different timelines. The "count to five" incident in the OR always happened the way they showed it in The Incident. Jack's failure to mention his father's involvement in the pilot was intentional on his part, though I'm not convinced the writers planned it that way from the beginning. I totally believe Darlton when they say they had a plan from the beginning, but I don't think that necessarily applies to all the small details, just the grander scheme.

I tend to believe that it was intentional for the ...

2009-06-03T13:46:44.183-07:00

I tend to believe that it was intentional for the count to 5 story to be different from season 1to season 5. I think the presence of Jacob makes the difference. There could be two different time lines involved. In Jack's version of the story he said he made a choice.

I wouldn't believe this so much if there wasn't another backstory in the season 5 finale that changed slightly also.

I think Jack encountered Smokie in the jungle coming back from the cockpit and lied about it like Locke did. Although I'm not sure it was Smokie that Locke seen.

Haha, I just read your blog whilst watching Pilot...

2009-06-03T05:42:07.080-07:00

Haha, I just read your blog whilst watching Pilot. Sooo good :D

Nice write-up. Your post mentioned "further down t...

2009-06-02T20:36:41.001-07:00

Nice write-up. Your post mentioned "further down the beach" but proper usage, when relating to actual distance, would be "farther".

Sorry, I just wanted to find something to nitpick about like most everyone else.

This rewatch is a great idea, I just wish I hadn't started my own re-watch about a month ago. I'm up to S3.

Awesome, loved it and i have some interesting theo...

2009-06-02T19:03:44.343-07:00

Awesome, loved it and i have some interesting theories of Jacob's enemy in pilot part 2

I noticed a typo here, fyi... "Claire, who, even t...

2009-06-02T11:44:32.500-07:00

I noticed a typo here, fyi... "Claire, who, even though he doesn't know it, is his long-lost half sister, and the indirect season that he was even on the plane."

I'm assuming that should be 'reason'.

Otherwise, great write-up.

To 'Anonymous' a few posts above me, I agree that not everything was planned from the beginning, but many major plot points were, according to the DVD bonus features. There is a short documentary on there describing the genesis of Lost, and they talk about how they came up with a high-level storyline for roughly 5 seasons (if I'm remembering correctly), and also JJ Abrams telling Terry O'Quinn that his role in the first few episodes is minor, but would wind up with a much more significant role (JJ Abrams had worked with Terry O'Quinn on Alias, and recruited him especially for this role).

Also, I think it was Damon Lindelof who said that the bodies of 'Adam & Eve' would someday prove that they knew where they were going with the series from the beginning.

Just FYI, you still could be totally right, and plus I haven't seen the DVD bonus features in a while, so I may be remembering things wrong.

The entire series is canon. Certain parts of the s...

2009-06-02T11:41:14.040-07:00

The entire series is canon. Certain parts of the series cannot just be overlooked because the producers may not have known what was happening at the time.