I know I've bled over a little bit into week four, but we're virtually right back on track. Here are my thoughts on episode twelve of the series and season one, entitled "Whatever the Case May Be." In the episode, when
Kate and
Sawyer find a
case on a dead passenger, Kate begins to act erratically, using whatever means necessary to get it away from Sawyer. At the beach,
Sayid and
Shannon begin to get close. Flashbacks in this episode center around Kate's involvement in a bank robbery in
New Mexico.
- Sawyer and Kate find a waterfall on the Island. This is the same waterfall that Paulo found the diamonds in, which he hid from Nikki, and also the waterfall that Kate and Hurley landed in after being transported off Ajira Flight 316.
- Kate finds the Halliburton suitcase under the seats of some dead passengers. This case will be the source of so much conflict on the Island, due to the fact that it contains guns and a toy airplane.
- We start to see a blossoming relationship between Sayid and Shannon, which has its false starts but leads to both of them having trust in the the other.
- Kate pulls out a topy airplane from the Halliburton Case. It belonged to her childhood friend Tom Brennan. He was seen playing with it outside a general store before Kate entered and attempted to steal a lunchbox, and they eventually buried it in a time capsule, for them to open up years later, shortly before Tom was killed by the police. So Kate is telling the truth when she says that the airplane belonged to both the man she loved and the man she killed, though she was only indirectly responsible for Brennan's death.
And that's it for the episode. I know that it's a really short blog, but the episode has no real weight to the following story (save for the guns). The next episode, "Hearts and Minds," has a bit more usable content, so expect a longer blog for it. You can discuss the episode in this
forum thread, read others' posts about it at the
rewatch hub, and edit the
episode's article.
Any chance this is the same waterfall Kate, Hurley and Jack land in when returning to the island in season 5?
ReplyDeleteYou're probably right. I'll amend my post to fit that in.
ReplyDeleteKate was really annoying in this. I don't like this epiosde at all
ReplyDeleteThus begins several lackluster Kate installments. Always a bit too mushy, mixed with a ridiculous dose of renegade action.
ReplyDeleteSince there doesn't seem to be too much to talk about here can we cover the bank robbery? We know Kate was in on the robbery but I can't remember why. Also I remember her boyfried at the time being the lead robber on the job. I also remember seeing him at some other point in the series shortly after. Can anyone help me remember the point to the whole robbery, and if there is a deeper connection with this boyfriend character?
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Bet you were expeceting a 1 page post :P
Oh anyone else notice that the Waterfall seems to always be starting to threads of ideas?
ReplyDeleteThe briefcase, the diamonds, the return to the island, and the entrance to the caves.
Any thoughts on wether this mean anything?
Ace
I don't think the waterfall in this episode or in the season five return are the same as the one that leads to the tunnells containing Jughead. The whole area is hilly and kinda bare..the one in 5 was more shady and had flat ground around it. Plus the tunnell waterfall is in the Others territory and the one Kate/Hurley land in is in the grids that Sun was searching on Dhrama turf.
ReplyDeleteI remember the bank heist. It seemed like Kate knew she left the toy in that bank after they dug up the time capsule or perhaps Tom put it there. Anyway, she needed to get in that bank for her toy since she was already on the run from killing daddy dearest. The whole thing was an elaborate scheme to rob the bank, but Kate was running a long con using the guys just to get the toy.
AceWillco - Kate was in the robbery in order to get the toy plane in the first place. It was in the bank box that the robbers were trying to get at. Kate was also working under a fake name, and it's pretty clear she's playing her fellow robbers, too!
ReplyDeleteMight be important to note that the lunchbox WAS the time capsule. But I’m sure that’ll come up later on when she gets Tom killed.
ReplyDeleteThe reason the plane was in the bank (box 108 I believe) was the marshall put it there to taunt Kate into getting caught.
ReplyDeleteKate has done some horrible things throughout the show. It's odd that she is so popular. And what is the deal with the airplane? I know it was important to Kate but it seems like she would give up anything for it. "I just got my childhood love killled. I guess this toy plane can replace him".
I believe this to be the same waterfall. After all when they did return it was the 70's, so a good 30 years before Kate and Sawyer found the case, which means the area around the waterfall could have been altered in that time.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason Kate goes back for the plane has to do with the fact that she can't really trust anyone. Everyone she loves has betrayed her at one point (except for Tom, who is now gone anyway). I think that even being alone in the world like that humans will still seek like an outlet for their affection and love and i think kate misplaces it in objects of seemingly little value like toy planes because that plane is the only thing she has to care about at that point in her life. That plane is kind of her tie to humanity and I think that making herself go after it is kind of like a self-inflicted punishment for getting Tom killed. I think its her way of making sure that she remembers Tom and maintains her regret for her actions.
ReplyDeleteI think that because of her situation Kate often behaves in very unexpected, irrational ways and that is why she is so unpopular with some and so popular with others. But I think the ultimate point is that she is a good person maybe even a heroine who is "lost."
Thank you all for re learning my brain on what happened in the bank robbery. I can see how the plane does relect Kate's humanity. The only question that remains in the back of my brain is the leader of the robbery group/kate's Boyfriend at the time. does he not reappear again somewhere else? I could have sworn he does.
ReplyDeleteI can go either way on weather the waterfall from the 70's is the same one, if it is, it does sum up nicely the birthing of new ideas theory I had. A theme that water and birthing is commonly used thoughout the world(including Mortal Kombat...yes I went there :P).
Ooo and as I'm re-reading my own post, all of the ideas I've stated do lead to war and destruction or jsut general badness.
-The gun's come out of the briefcase. I can't tack all the problems that came from them but anna lucia killing shannon I think is one of them. At the very least they beomce a very streesed point of who is in poession of them.
-The diamonds led to Paulo and whats her names death my spider/buried alive.
-The caves, lead to Jughead.
-When they return to the island...well we'll see...
Ace
Help me here losties..Kate killed the daddy right? Was it only because he was violent and mean to her mother or was it that and the fact that he abused her? Sexual abuse perhaps?
ReplyDeleteWomen who are sex abused have a lifetime of problems. From knowledge of friends problems with this Kate fits the profile of a sex abused person and witness to violence in her youth. Women from that background never can connect and maintain a relationship with anyone without a lot of therapy. That would explain her behavior and makes me dislike her just a little less.
I still don't like the Juliet character.
according to imdb.com kate's boyfriend during the robbery does not appear in the series again, however in my opinion the actor looks kind of like the guy that plays charlie's brother liam.
ReplyDeletesomething interesting i did find while i was looking this up was that one of the other robbers (credited as the six foot five robber) is also in the episode "there's no place like home part 2" as man in car and "he's our you" also as man in car. probably this is just the recycling of an extra especially since this man also works on stunts for lost, but who knows...
oh and i noticed while watching the episode that at the end boone is looking at shannon and sayid and his face is filmed half in shadow the same way ben and widmore are filmed later as was pointed out on one of the wiki articles (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Black_and_white)
which i think supports the theory that boone might have been affected in some way by whatever is possessing john locke
Hey Joyce!!
ReplyDeleteKate killed her father because she found out that he was in fact her Father, not the army man she once thought was her father.
Kate loved the man she thought was her father. The man she thought was her stepfather (the one she burned) she killed because she could not handle the fact that she was his daughter. He never did abuse her, only her mother. When she found out that the man she hated was her real father, she could not stand thinking he was a part of her.
Any thoughts on the people underwater where the briefcase was? Have we seen them in flashbacks? OR could they be from Ajira Flight 316?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the explain on Kate.
ReplyDeleteOur Losties are so eat up with problems. There is not a main character that hasn't got some deep issues. I guess that is TV land's way of giving them interesting backgrounds. And could emotionally damaged folk be better tools in the war between Jaoob and MIB? Is it a needed something to make them easier to use?
Fans are there any characters that you would like to be on an Island such as this?
ReplyDeleteI would probably be pretty dull and take up with Locke since he is able to at least provide. Or wouold of the Others that follow the leader that sheep.
Sorry but my spelling went south.
ReplyDeleteI meant to say that I would be a great Other following the current leader like the good sheep I am.
Did anyone else think that the tide coming onto the beach (washing away the luggage) may have been a result of the island moving? Sayid commented on how unusual it was.
ReplyDeleteThe bank box that Kate was after with the toy airplane was 815 not 108. And the waterfall couldn't have been altered from the 1970s to 2004 because we see it exactly the same when Kate finds the briefcase and then when she and Hurley land in it when returning to the Island in 1977. It looks the same, so it is not the waterfall that leads to Jughead. Also, the people down in the water are from flight 815 because they were there in 2004 with things from the 815 flight when Paulo and Kate & Sawyer went down there. They were not from 316 in 2007.
ReplyDeleteTY anon for filling in another blank hoel in my head...I was flipping out cause I did think Charlies Brother was the bank robber. They look exacly alike.
ReplyDeleteAs for this debate of waterfalls that I started...after some thought I'm not sure it matters weather it's the same one or not. I guess it does if people a view THIS waterfall as a focal point on the island of new beginings. I orginally was thinking more of waterfalls more of a literay deviece for new beginings, witch could have lead to more if it was always the same waterfall.
Ace
Sam, Post another episode..I have nothing to do at work today :P
"I believe this to be the same waterfall. After all when they did return it was the 70's, so a good 30 years before Kate and Sawyer found the case, which means the area around the waterfall could have been altered in that time."
ReplyDeleteThat's stupid. Lost was filmed between 2003 and 2009, how in the world could you possibly think something has changed there...
"Any thoughts on the people underwater where the briefcase was? Have we seen them in flashbacks? OR could they be from Ajira Flight 316?"
Ajira landed 3 years later on hydra island you idiot.
Don't forget that the plane in the case was in the lunchbox that Jacob bought for Claire and basically saved her from dealing with the accountability of theft, thus helping point her down the spirally path of demise
ReplyDeleteAce, water or the waterfall does seem to be very important. Actually it is most important maybe since they landed on an Island.
ReplyDeleteI fixated on whether it was the same or not because when we see it in 1977 I never connected it with the original one at all. The area looks so much flatter and with more foliage around it. It looks somehow cooler and more peaceful when they swim down to Jughead. Which could be a cool way of making us think safer since it is not as wild seeming in 1977.
Maybe the first time we see a waterfall it has a lot of dead people in it and that was somehow jarring to me. I reckon we can just imagine all those dead folk strapped in seats are still down there..ewwww. That would certainly ruin it for drinking.
The waterfall at the cave is smaller and refreshing since we see it when we know the Losties are desperate for water.
And haven't we noticed that Smokie never crosses over water? I seem to remember us discussing that once before. Which may mean that MIB who now has Locke's form can't be the Smokie since the Locke thing did cross water in the outrigger.
That was perhaps more than a higher than normal tide Jenn. It was a mini tidal wave and could have been triggered by the island doing one of its shifty things.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it was an attempt by the Island to scare them and herd them all to the cave.
S1E12 Whatever The Case May Be Haiku:
ReplyDeleteMe Kate. Me Throw Rock.
Me Swim, Climb Tree, Rassle Boy.
Me Look Great In Thong.
It definitely was not the same waterfall that led to the Tunnels. That was a tiny waterfall in a pool, not the big waterfall that was there.
ReplyDeleteBDub you told Joyce that Kate killed her father because she found out that was her actual father.
ReplyDeleteThats not true. She didn't find out until she talks to her actual step father, after she had already killed Wayne.
To anon:
ReplyDeleteDo you mean the meeting between Kate and her stepfather at his recruitment office. If so, that is where she actually found out that Sam Austen knew he wasn't her father.
From Lostpedia:
While making a scrapbook for Sam's birthday, Kate discovered from pictures that Austen couldn't be her biological father as he had been away serving in Korea during the period when she would have been conceived. This horrified Kate as she realized that Wayne was her biological father.
I didn't read all the posts on this blog, but did ANYONE happen to notice what I believe to be the most significant part of this episode? During the entire episode, the beach survivors were moving their camp down the shore because of a rapidly shifting tide. Sayid and Jack spoke of how strange this seemed and that a lot was strange about the Island. I felt this was, in retrospect, very significant to Season 5 since it seems to be linked to the movement of the Island through space and time.
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