Friday, May 29, 2009

Lost Season 5 Review

Well it's been a few weeks since "The Incident, Parts 1 & 2" aired around the world, ending Lost's superb fifth season with a climactic and unforgettable cliffhanger. So now, I figured it would be a good time to do an all-encompassing review of Lost's fifth season, right before we engage in the five-season-long LOST Rewatch.

I will start by saying that this season has been my favorite season so far -- it has been full of shocking twists, intricate mythology, enigmatic time travel, and incredible character development. The writers have truly succeeded at creating a show that comprehensively explains mysteries and systematically improves.


Episode 1: "Because You Left"

In the epic and unforgettable first scene of the season, Pierre Chang is filming the DHARMA Orientation for the Arrow station (a station that is shrouded in mystery). I was very glad to see that the Arrow had more purpose than being an abandoned stocking and staging area for the D.I.H.G. The purpose of this station is to develop defensive warfare against the Hostile natives of the Island. During filming, Chang is interrupted and brought to the Orchid station where it's revealed that energy released from drilling too close to the frozen wheel has killed a construction worker. Unbeknownst to Chang, Daniel Faraday has snuck into the station, and knows that what just happened at the Orchid will soon happen at the Swan, but the energy there is 30,000 tmies greater than at the Orchid. The premiere this season dove full-force into the mysterious aspects of time travel. Time travel has been gradually and slowly integrated into LOST -- in "Flashes Before Your Eyes", Desmond time traveled after turning the fail-safe key -- in "The Constant", Desmond time traveled through consciousness intermittently between past and present -- and finally, in "The Shape of Things to Come" and "There's No Place Like Home, Part 3," the full story of Ben's time travel jounrey was complete. Ben had traveled ten months into the future, and started to work with Sayid.

"Because You Left" starts to slowly unravel something that has been foreshadowed for quite some time -- Jack is really "lost," and his only way to regain purpose is to return to the Island. This was a great start to a great season -- time travel was a very risky concept for the writers to employ, but I'm glad they did.


Episode 2: "The Lie"

This episode revealed that Hurley Reyes has had a long struggle with maintaining the "lie" that the survivors developed to protect the Island. We also get to see some amazing Neil Frogurt scenes (finally!). His scenes however, do not end well -- after scolding the survivors for not making fire, he himself is killed by flaming arrows shot by the Others.
One of my favorite scenes of this episode was Hurley's amazing conversation with his mother Carmen. Hurley spills the beans on their "lie" by giving Carmen an epic, comprehensive recap of everything we've seen on Lost thus far:

"Okay. See, we did crash, but it was on this crazy island. And we waited for rescue, and there wasn't any rescue. And there was a smoke monster, and then there were other people on the island. We called them the Others, and they started attacking us. And we found some hatches, and there was a button you had to push every 108 minutes or... well, I was never really clear on that. But... the Others didn't have anything to do with the hatches. That was the DHARMA Initiative. The Others killed them, and now they're trying to kill us. And then we teamed up with the Others because some worse people were coming on a freighter. Desmond's girlfriend's father sent them to kill us. So we stole their helicopter and we flew it to their freighter, but it blew up. And we couldn't go back to the island because it disappeared, so then we crashed into the ocean, and we floated there for a while until a boat came and picked us up. And by then, there were six of us. That part was true. But the rest of the people... who were on the plane? They're still on that island."
- Hugo Reyes

And of course, who could forget the amazing reveal at the end of this episode? It is revealed that Eloise Hawking, last seen with Desmond in "Flashes Before Your Eyes," (unless you count the easter egg at Moriah Vineyards) is invovled with Ben in the attempt to get the Oceanic 6 back to the Island.


Episode 3: "Jughead"

This will probably go down as one of the most epic Lost episodes of all time -- not only do we get to see amazing sequences of the Others, Richard, redshirts exploded, Desmond confront Charles, and Penny give birth to Charlie -- the on-Island events occur in 1954. I found it very enlightening and intriguing to view the Island in the perspective of 1954. A thought occurred to me after watching this season: what if the majority of the season took place in 1954 instead of 1977? I think that would be very interesting. We only got to see a small slice of the cake; I'm sure there is a lot more Island history we have't yet seen.

Of course, we get to see the hydrogen bomb "Jughead". This bomb will later come into play, and have an explosive (pun intended, haha) impact on the finale. I absolutely loved the off-Island scenes with Desmond in this episode. Desmond was on the sidelines for most of this season, and didn't get as large of a role as I hoped -- I was glad to see him be the spotlight and focus of things, even if it was just for one episode.


Episode 4: "The Little Prince"

Kate's struggle with the authorities continues in this episode, and her custody of Aaron is at risk. When Jack finds her, they follow Ben's attorney to Carole Littleton, who states that she doesn't know who "Aaron" is.

On the Island, we get to see some of my favorite scenes of LOST ever -- the survivors have flashed back a few months in time (to the era of "Deus Ex Machina" and "Do No Harm"). In my two favorite parts of the episode, Sawyer witnesses Kate help Claire give birth to Aaron, and Locke sees the light from the hatch in the distance. Every time I rewatch this scene, I wish that they would've been just a little closer to the hatch so that Locke could have heard himself yelling at "the island". John Locke also has one of my favorite quotes ever after Sawyer wonders why Locke didn't intervene with himself: "I needed that pain, to get to where I am now." Hopefully we will get to see the Ajira outrigger shootout in the future -- my guess is that Bram, Ilana, and the other statue people were the people chasing everyone in this episode.


Episode 5: "This Place Is Death"

It's the epic story we've been waiting for since early Season 1: Danielle and the French science expedition. I think that their story should have been throughout the entire episode, rather than just the first part. We get to see the science team shot right into action, seeing the mythology that has taken our Losties months to see -- Montand is dragged by the Monster to the Temple, where most of the team becomes "infected".

Charlotte dies from the time shifts in this episode -- I wasn't too sad to see her go, as she was one of my least favorite characters, and one of the least interesting in my opinion. In one of my favorite scenes, we see John Locke talk with Christian Shephard. He convinces John to turn the wheel, and that he must "sacrifice" himself for the islanders. I have a theory that Christian is really the mysterious man we saw with Jacob in the finale - and that he is also the smoke monster. I guess we won't know till Season 6, though. I absolutely loved seeing this episode unfold; we first heard about Danielle's story in Season 1 (in "Pilot, Part 2", "Solitary", and "Exodus.") This was a story we have all been waiting to see, and we finally get to see it. I thought it was nice to see Jin give Locke his wedding wing, to keep Sun away from the island -- ironically, that is the force that will eventually cause her to want to go back to the island. I found it a little odd, though, that Sun would so willingly leave her daughter Ji Yeon back home, and go on a trip back to find Jin.


Episode 6: "316"

Some of the Oceanic 6 make their long-awaited and epic return to the Island. With the help of Eloise, Jack, Kate, and Sun go aboard Ajira Airways Flight 316 to go through the 'window' that will get them back to the island. Sayid comes back to the Island unwillingly, along with Ilana (later revealed to be on a personal mission from Jacob). Hurley is also told by Jacob, who says that he has a choice, to return to the Island.

In one of my favorite scenes, Ben tells Jack the story of Thomas the Apostle, and how he had to actually "see" Jesus' wounds to believe that he rose from the dead. This relates to Jack and how he has made a large leap of faith -- man of science, to man of faith. This episode is top-notch in my book. Everything about this episode reminded me of the classic Season 1 -- the opening scene, the music, and the characters all made this episode one of the best ever. Jack has made a complete leap of faith -- what he did in this episode (putting Christian's shoes on Locke) is much like something Locke would do. It's amazing that Locke's words back from the Season 1 episode "Exodus, Part 2" have shown to be true:

JACK: I don't believe in destiny.
LOCKE: Yes you do. You just don't know it yet.

Jack has been told numerous times throughout LOST that he shouldn't leave the island -- Locke told him on several occasions ("Through the Looking Glass", "There's No Place Like Home") and Ben has also said that he may one day regret leaving ("King of the Castle"). Jack realizes he made a mistake, and that his destiny is on the Island.


Episode 7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"

The long-awaited story of John Locke's perilous off-Island journey is revealed. Locke is unable to get any of the Oceanic 6 to want to return to the Island -- this of course, launches him into depression, and he is about to hang himself when none other than Ben Linus storms in, intervening. After watching the finale, I'm beginning to fear that Locke's off-Island venture was not meant to happen -- Christian Shephard and "fake Locke" (a.k.a. Esau, Flocke, etc.) both said that Locke had to die --- why? Probably so that Flocke could takeover Locke's identity, manipulate Ben into wanting to kill Jacob, and fulfilling his promise to find a loophole.

Anyways, back to this episode. I was glad to see that Locke had pursued his lost love Helen Norwood, who unfortunately had passed away. This episode shows us a great conversation between Jack and Locke -- Jack refuses to believe Locke's claims that his father is still alive, and completely refutes all of the "destiny" and "you have to go back" stuff. We all know that he will soon undergo extreme character developement. This episode contains one of the biggest and most shocking twists of all-time -- Ben Linus kills John Locke! And since Locke didn't get raised from the dead, we know that Ben actually killed Locke.


Episode 8: "LaFleur"

In one of the best episodes of the season, we get to see James "Sawyer" Ford undergo the greatest character development in Lost, ever. Starting as a con man on a mysterious island, intent on hoarding everything for himself, stealing guns from the camp, and always focused on himself - Sawyer has become the DHARMA Initiative head of security. He has a powerful position in the DI. I absolutely love this episode -- not only do we get to see the characters in DHARMA times, we see it from two points of view. In 1974, Juliet wants to return home on the sub, but Sawyer convinces her to stay. They end up falling in love (and become the best relationship in LOST in my opinion, Suliet...) The scenes with Sawyer and Juliet are awesome -- there isn't any drama and fighting like with Jack/Kate or Sawyer/Kate scenes. Juliet and Sawyer are a great match.

The DHARMA Initiative has been a compelling mystery ever since Season 2. We have seen bits and pieces of mythology relating to DHARMA, but this season (and particularly this episode) has given us great insight into the people, events, and mysteries related to DHARMA. Horace Goodspeed is a character only seen twice in the LOST before this episode ("The Man Behind the Curtain" and "Cabin Fever"). It is very interesting to learn more about these characters. Overall, this episode ranks as my third favorite from this season.


Episode 9: "Namaste"

This was probably one of the weaker episodes of the season. Not much happens, other than we get to see Jack, Kate, and Hurley brought in to the DI. Sayid is unlucky, and is caught by Jin and Radzinsky inside the Flame perimeter. This, of course, isn't good since Stuart thinks he's a Hostile. The best part of this episode was seeing Pierre Chang hand out janatorial duties to Jack. However, Jack doesn't demand a new job or go throw a fit, he is actually content with things, for the first time in a long time. This was very awesome to see -- I definitely like the new Jack (so far, at least). Rather than lead a group to a radio tower, go on a treacherous mission for dynamite, or give a speech about living together and dying alone -- Jack decides to sit back and make some sandwiches... Now that is some major character development.


Episode 10: "He's Our You"

This is probably the most underrated episode of the season. Not only do we get to see Sayid captured by Ilana, but we also get to see young Ben for the first time since "The Man Behind the Curtain". Ben has been living a terrible life, and his abusive father Roger isn't helping at all. Sayid is brought to Oldham, who is the "torturer" or the DI. He doesn't really torture Sayid, but he sedates him and gives him drugs that force him to tell the truth; and he does. He reveals the truth about everything -- Flight 815, Ajira 316, the survivors, and even Sawyer (LaFleur)... but Stuart seems focused on his Swan model over anything else. In the final scene we see one of the best cliffhangers ever -- Sayid shoots young Ben, knowing that he will soon grow up into the diabolical, manipulative man that made him an assasin. This is a fantastic episode that shows us the dark relationship between Sayid and Ben. I love to see the character correlations in this episode: In 1977, Sayid (in his future) shoots Ben (in his past) because of what Ben (in his future) did to Sayid (in his past). Yes, Lost can be confusing someimes, but it makes it all the more awesome.


Episode 11: "Whatever Happened, Happened"

This episode probably ranks as the best Kate-centric in LOST. This episode sort of takes off where "The Little Prince" left off -- Kate is continuously plagued by the guilt of taking Aaron. She goes to see Cassidy Phillips, mother of Clementine (Sawyer told her to do this, in "TNPLH"). Cassidy has no toruble reminding Kate that she took Aaron because she needed someone. She calls Sawyer a coward, claiming that the only reason he jumped off the helicopter was to escape from Kate. Back at the Barracks, Juliet attempts to save young Ben, who is suffering terribly from his gun shot wound at close range. Jack refuses to help with saving him, saying that he already did that once before (back at the Hydra, Season 3). Juliet knows the only way to save him is to take him to the Others. In one of my favorite scenes of this show, Hurley and Miles engage in an epic conversation about WHH (whatever happened, happened).

"Back to the Future," man. We came back in time to the island and changed stuff. So if little Ben dies, he'll never grow up to be big Ben, who's the one who made us come back here in the first place. Which means we can't be here. And therefore, dude? We don't exist.
- Hugo Reyes

This episode ends with great mythology -- Richard Alpert takes young Ben into the Temple without consent from either Charles Widmore or Eloise Hawking (two prominent Others). This, of course, is what saves him, and he grows up to be the Ben that we all know (and sometimes love...)


Episode 12: "Dead Is Dead"

This is definitely the second best episode of the season. To start things off, we get to see Ben shoot Caesar (who was expected to become a major character in the show) in the chest, instantly killing him. This allows him and Locke to make a journey to the "real island," and they make their way to the Barracks. They find Sun and Frank, who have been waiting for Locke (on the orders of Christian Shephard). Ben tries to summon the Monster, but it doesn't come -- Locke (who is really the fake Locke) says that they need to go to it. And he knows exactly where it is: the Temple. In one of my favorite sequences of the episode, Ben is judged by the Monster for letting his daughter Alex die back in "The Shape of Things to Come." The Monster lets Ben live. In flashbacks, we get to see very interesting chunks of island history -- we see Ben capture Alex from Danielle, much to the dislike of Widmore. We get to see Charles Widmore exiled from the Island, largely based on his relationship with an outsider. And we get to see Ben confront Penny (Widmore's daughter) at the marina; he almost kills her, but stops after seeing Charlie Hume. Desmond then beats him up, throwing him in the water. I absolutely loved this episode, and it ranks one of the best of the series.


Episode 13: "Some Like It Hoth"

Finally... we get a Miles-centric (even if it is one of the stragest episode titles ever). Miles is one of my favorite characters, and he has really grown over these past two seasons. I really disliked Miles in Season 4 -- he was annoying, selfish, and a just plain boring character compared to everyone else. Miles has evolved into a great character though, and I thought this was a genuine episode that revealed a lot of connections between him and the Island. It was revealed (not to my surprise) that Pierre Chang (a DHARMA leader who has appeared in numerous orientation films) is his father. I thought this was great work by the writers -- it was a perfect way to relate Miles to the Island. In one of the light-hearted aspects of this episode, Hurley is seen writing the script for "The Empire Strikes Back." He plans to send George Lucas the script when he's finish to save him some work. Miles and Hurley are a great duo, and I loved their scenes together. In another great scene, Hurley sees the Hatch being built, and once again he faces those ominous numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42.


Episode 14: "The Variable"

It's episode 100 -- my expectations for this episode were tremendously high. This Daniel Faraday centric gave us a ton of insight on his family -- Eloise Hawking (leader of the Others in 1977) is the mother of Daniel. Daniel saw his own mother in 1954 during a time flash. To make things more complicated, Charles Widmore is his father! A disappointing aspect of this episode was the lack of Desmond -- Desmond has been at the sidelines for pretty much this entire season, and I wish they had put more emphasis on his character in this episode (considering that the episode title mirrors that of "The Constant," a prominent Desmond-centric from Season 4). At Dharmaville, things get messy when Radzinsky catches Kate, Daniel, and Jack collecting guns at the Motor Pool -- a shootout ensues, and they escape to go to the Hostiles. Daniel says that he has to find his mother, Eloise. In a shocking twist, Daniel claims that he has focused so much on the CONSTANTS and whatever happened, happened -- he forgot about the VARIABLES. Daniel says that free will exists; they make choices, decisions, and they can change things. He wants to detonate Jughead, the hydrogen bomb, in order to negate the hatch, destroy the electromagnetic energy, and prevent Desmond from every forgetting to push the button, and finally preventing the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. I thought it was interesting to see Daniel completely change viewpoints; he had been strongly focused on WHH, and suddenly he says that variables exist. At the end of this episode, we shockingly see Eloise kill her own son, Daniel. Daniel was a great character, and this was a great way for him to die -- telling his mother, "I'm your son."


Episode 15: "Follow the Leader"

The penultimate episode of the season can be described in only one word - EPIC. Flocke (also known by a variety of nicknames like Esau/Mr. X/Jacob's nemesis/Unlocke) goes to the Others' camp, where he finds the ageless advisor Richard Alpert. He says that they have an errand to run, and Ben must come along. Ben snarkily replies with, "afraid I'll stage a coup?" But Locke is no longer afraid of Ben. They go into the jungle to find the "real" time-traveling Locke; Flocke commands Richard to tell the real Locke that he must leave the island and die. This, of course, is all part of Flcoke's plan (I believe that Flocke wants Locke to die so that he can takeover his identity, hence manipulating Ben to kill Jacob -- this is probably the loophole that he's been aiming to achieve for more two hundred years). In 1977, Jack has seemed to takeover Daniel's mission -- detonate Jughead, and erase a substantial part of their lives. Kate is not so keen on this -- perhaps she thinks her life has been better because of the crash. If the plane hadn't crashed, she could still be in jail for murdering her father. We get to see Sayid return -- he's been absent for quite some time, and still thinks that he was able to kill young Ben.

Jack, Eloise, Richard, and Sayid venture into the tunnels, and prepare to find a way to detonate the bomb. I absolutely loved the Richard scenes in this episode -- he is present in two timelines spanning 30 years (1977 and 2007) -- he has always been one of the most intriguing characters in the show. I absolutely love the hilarious conversation between Chang and Hurley:

DR. CHANG: Your friend Faraday said that you were from the future. I need to know if he was telling the truth.
HURLEY: Dude, that's ridiculous.
DR. CHANG: What year were you born? What year?
HURLEY: Uh... 1931?
DR. CHANG: You're 46?
HURLEY: Yeah. Yes, I am.
DR. CHANG: So you fought in the Korean War?
HURLEY: There's... no such thing.
DR. CHANG: Who's the President of the United States?
HURLEY: All right, dude, we're from the future.

Hurley is just such a great character. I love funny moments like these in LOST -- it's amazing that LOST can be so dark, mysterious, and enigmatic and at the same time be funny.


Episode 16: "The Incident, Parts 1 & 2"

This episode is mindblowing -- it is the best finale and episode of the show ever, in my opinion. We get to see an incredible opening scene -- it reveals that Jacob has been alive since the 1800s, and he has a nemesis; this man has been searching for a loophole - a way to kill Jacob. The origins of their rivalry has yet to be exlpained. Jacob lives inside the four-toed statue, and we get to see a nice close-up of this age-old mystery. I am very glad to see that the writers introduced us to Jacob immediately, rather than waiting for some cliffhanger reveal. We don't just see brief moments with Jacob -- this is actually a Jacob-centric. Jacob is featured and seen in many of the survivors lives, including Sun, Jin, Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, and Sayid. In every one of these encounters, he appeared to 'touch' them -- perhaps a touch from Jacob somehow lures you to the island through the work of destiny? Flocke continues to lead the Others to Jacob -- he says that Ben is the one that will have to kill him. We also learn that Jacob's cabin has been used by someone else for quite some time -- perhaps all of those ominous apparitions we saw in Season 3 and 4 weren't Jacob after all. In an astonishing reveal, we learn that Locke has been dead since he was strangled by Ben in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham." Flcoke has taken over his identity, and he manipulated Ben to kill Jacob. I still don't believe that JACOB, the ageless seemingly all-powerful island entity, was killed by Ben. I'm pretty sure that Jacob wanted to be killed, for reasons unknown. Back at the Swan site, Juliet falls into a massive hole, along with the bomb didn't go off with the fall. In her last effort, Juliet detonates the bomb. I'm curious to see what will happen next...

Overall this has been a captivating, compelling, and incredible season. There have been shocking mythological reveals and tremendous character development -- let's hope that Season 6 will fill the rest of this amazing story.

60 comments:

  1. Kate giving birth to Aaron, Flocke finding the real Locke?

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  2. He meant to say Kate helping give birth to Aaron.

    And yes, Flocke (with Richard and Ben) goes to see Locke right after he had been shot and them time-traveled. (Before he put the frozen wheel back on it's axle and left the island.)

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  3. Yeah sorry... I meant to say Kate help Claire give birth to Aaron. I fixed that :)

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  4. I think cliffhanger wise this season finale is great. It rival my previous favorite Season cliffhanger from season three but I really can't say which is my favorite until Season Six premire. I really hope Whatever Happens, Happens stays true.

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  5. Unless the writers/producers have some amazing way to land 815 and make an interesting season..I don't see how.

    Until I see the season premier I will stand by my theory that the bomb didn't go off. The Incident was happening and finished when Juliet was sucked into the hole. The Incident shorted out the bomb and destroyed its ability to go off. The Island has pretty well taken care of itself for centuries and it won't let itself be leveled and poisoned by nuclear waste. And I can't see the caretakers Ellie or Richard go happily off to help people get the bomb and destroy the whole works.

    Charles Widmore told Locke that war was coming and since this took place in present time Widmore knows that bomb never went off. And since Widmore was off the Island so he knew or found someone to neutralize that bomb longggg ago.

    I enjoyed both Season 4 and Season 5 best of all. It seemed the episodes were better as soon as a definite end was given to this show.

    Starting Monday I will work thru all 5 seasons and be ready for the last one by January.

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  6. Yes, but I think the adjective "epic" could have been used a few hundred more times.

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  7. I have loved every single twist and turn, except one...

    I still can't reconcile the jarring break in continuity that is Faraday telling Desmond two years prior to the crash to visit his mother 5 years later, Desmond not recognizing Faraday during season 4, but then randomly remembering said encounter just when it fits conveniently into to plot.

    It's the only time in the history of this AMAZING show that I've ever accused them of lazy writing. Furthermore, it's the only time where I just cannot accept the "because you're special" answer to explain it all away.

    Other than that ONE thing, season 5 has rocked my socks off!

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  8. My biggest issue with the finale is the big twist(Locke being dead and is that other guy). He wasn't even used by a character we knew about, they introduced the guy in the finale, so it was a bit of a ripoff. It would be kind of like them discovering the bomb in the finale and using it to blow up the swan, it seems like it was added in at the last moment, or kept hidden to long just for a finale reveal.

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  9. I think they should stay loyal to the "whatever happened, happened" theory too. It just seems like they added the "you can change the past" in to create a cliffhanger, which is really really lame. Unless they're going down the recent Star Trek file route, where it creates a parellel universe.

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  10. Hurley says: Like dude, nice reviews but even I got tired of the word 'epic'... get a thesaurus man.

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  11. @Bryman - I don't think I used the word "epic" that much, however if I had to choose one word to describe LOST it would be EPIC. :)

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  12. Early in season 2 Sayid comments about the concrete casing beneath the Swan, saying the only other time he's seen anything like this is at Chernobyl. Could the bomb have gone off, but the blast somehow contained by the powerful electromagnetic force? This would potentially irradiate the electromagnectic source requiring it to be encased in concrete. Just a thought.

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  13. i remember daniel sayin that des was special , that the rules didnt apply to him, i think when dan told him to find his mother, that memory was added to his conciseness, so it was a new memory, does that make des un affected by the whatever happened , happened theory ? i dont know. i just hope des is brought back into the game next season, he was on the bench for too long.

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  14. I agree on waiting to reveal the nemesis of Jacob. I think the whole season would have been more compelling if the cold open of the finale was the cold open of the premiere. We would have had a direction for the whole season rather than the first half or so. Unfortunately, once everyone was in Dharmaville, it felt like they were just wandering around (similar to Season 3's first half).

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  15. I have to agree with a comment further down the list - this season's end was something of a cop out in my opinion. Jacob has been an important 'invisible hand' for far too long but ultimately he could have been just about ANYONE! The add ins where he seemed to touch the lostees confirmed this: the writers could have made some sort of reference to this earlier in the series. It makes sense that Jacob's touch saved Locke from his fall but why not draw some sort of attention to this when we first were shown that he was pushed out of the window. With regards Jacob's 'Nemesis' this is even more the case. Although the idea that their relationship is somewhat biblical which would tie in the various theological references throughout all five seasons, I couldn't help but feel slightly disappointed that there hadn't been some sort of more explicit hint earlier on in the show that this was a potentiality.

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  16. I'm waiting for season 6 to come out before I decide about the amount of time it took to introduce Jacob's nemesis. If it turns out that his nemesis is the shape shifting smoke monster, which would certainly make sense, then they actually introduced him before Jacob.

    Personally, it looks to me like everything that has happened in the entire series has been a duel between two immortals.

    But once again, we'll need season 6 to come out before we will know. =-)

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  17. when we saw the flashlight while Juliete hitting the bomb with stone,I strongly believe that was because Eloise moved the island to the Ancient time.

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  18. Re: "Flocke" being the smoke monster and able to show up as the dead people: "Flocke" was genuinely surprised that Ben was told to do whatever Locke said. How could "Flocke" be the smoke monster if he didn't know this? That's why I just don't think the "Nemisis" is the smoke monster.
    Also, how could there be two Lockes? If the Nemesis needed Locke to die to inhabit his body, why are there two bodies?
    Questions, questions...

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  19. Did yone else pick up on the fact that Miles said "Don't you think this is the event?"
    Meaning that the bomb blast may have caused the problem in the first place?

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  20. @Anonymous - there aren't "two Locke's". I think that Flocke wanted the real Locke to die so that Flocke (who is also the smoke monster) could takeover Locke's identity/manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. Flocke didn't need Locke to die so that he could inhabit his body; we know that Flocke/Smokey can shapeshift into many people (Yemi, Alex, etc.)

    @jfejle - That would be unlikely though, because a bomb blast would either A) destroy the electromagnetism, hence causing Oceanic 815 to never crash in the first place or B) destroy the Island and everything on it. Either of these circumstances would mean that it is not the Incident.

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  21. Thanks CTS I get it now re: two Lockes.
    But what about Flocke not knowing about Ben seeing "Alex" when he went to see the smoke monster? You are saying Flocke/smoke monster/Alex are all one in the same so wouldn't Flocke have been the one who told Ben to obey Locke? So why then would FLocke be surprised to hear that?

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  22. @Leslie -- I think that Flocke "acting surprised" was merely all apart of the facade. He was basically reiterating what he had previously told Ben to do in the Temple. The conversation was:

    BEN: Well, I starting thinking differently about things when my dead daughter threatened to destroy me if I didn't do everything you said.
    LOCKE: Whoa, whoa, wait...where did this happen?
    BEN: In that cavern, beneath the Temple. When we went to see the monster.
    LOCKE: So you're willing to do whatever I say, no matter what it is?


    It sounds to me like Flocke is "acting" surprised so that he can say to Ben, "So you're willing to do whatever I say, no matter what it is?" This of course is apart of the manipulation.

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  23. The blast did not have to distroy the electromagnetism, since they were just on the edge of the source. The blast would also explain why the statue is gone.

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  24. I think you are probably right CTS. Thanks again.

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  25. I think they showed kind of Biblical references in Season 5 Finale. Jacob seemingly God and the other person he speaks to as the Devil.
    Devil??? says "They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same" at the beginning of the act and God (Jacob) replies "It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.".
    Later at the end of the act Jacob says "It takes a very long time when you're making the thread, but, uh... I suppose that's the point, isn't it?" kind of referring to the process of creation may be indirectly about the island. Finally Devil (Fake Locke) pursuades Ben to kill Jacob.

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  26. I think that only a leader of the others can kill Jacob and his nemesis, and thats why the nemesis takes the form of Alex under the temple wall and says never kill Locke again, as this will kill him.

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  27. something that baffles me about "time" in this season:

    in season 4, we learn that the island has its own pace of time which is different from time in the rest of the world. yet in season 5, three years pass for both the people left on the island and the people off the island. can this possibly be explained? or did the writers decide to abandon that idea...?

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  28. Has anyone considered that maybe the bomb blast and the electromagnetism neutralized or balanced each other out? Possibly buying enough time that Dharma could temporarily wall off the energy source and build some kind of proto-button? And then build the Swan? Because, frankly, as the incident was unfolding, it certainly didn't seem like they were going to be able to do any construction there any time in the near future, let alone build some kind of safety precaution in, say, 108 minutes.

    I mean, obviously, in real life, nuclear blasts and naturally occurring electromagnetic phenomena aren't going to have much of anything to do with eachother, but what the hell...

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  29. this was entertaining, maybe you could do these for the other 4 seasons, it would sure give me something to do rather than just wait 8 months twiddling my thumbs

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  30. Yes, I agree, well done CTS
    Thanks

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  31. What if the bomb did not go off, but was placed in an underground bunker beneath the hatch, and Desmond is given a key and told not to use that key unless it is a last resort. Then one day Desmond goes down a whole and turns the key. The blast then occurs...

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  32. This is more of a recap than a review, but nevermind. I actually think the ending is quite crap, possibly the worst. The future can't have been changed, because not only would it nullify everything we've watched for 5 years, it would also mean - and quite importantly! - that the cliffhanger about Jacob dying, and Locke being dead, was completely a waste of time because they wouldnt have happened, therefore dont need explaining to us in season 6!

    Jacob dies telling Flocke that 'they are coming'. Surely it can only mean that the bomb detonating was simply a means to getting our Losties back to the present time... presumably to kick Flocke's arse? They've said Jack is the main guy, the key to it all, so it would make sense for Jack now to somehow end up as the leader of the others. Now he's gone through all this character development (as pointed out in the review!) surely a combination of old jack + new jack would make him the perfect leader for The Others?

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  33. Wow, I can't believe nobody has thought of this..but you heard it hear first.

    Jacob says to Fake Locke, "..found your loop hole..."

    And his reply was along the lines of 'you don't know what it took for me to get here'

    Fake Locke is Charles Widmore. Guy is loaded, had full reconstructive surgery. With the outlandishness that season 5 was in comparison to all the other seasons..it's not even that weird.

    Called it.

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  34. I myself am not happy with this widely accepted Flocke theory. Has it actually been confirmed? Just because the word loophole is mentioned in two scenes - why is everyone jumping to conclusions. What if, baring in mind, we dont see Locke during one of the 2001 time flashes - that Locke encounters Jacob and and so ensues a conversation about time loopholes as Locke asks "how can I die and still lead?". Jacob gives him the heads up and the says "if you want proof that it works, come back and kill me - I'll come strolling right out of the jungle." Locke only gets Ben to do it to do it so the island wont judge him for it. Just thought I'd open up a can of worms. tb

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  35. As this is my first post, please forgive me if I post something that has been written and I have not had the chance to read. I have been reading a lot of posts about the end of this season and felt compelled to make a couple of comments.
    Just as in every epic event in history; whether fact or fiction, there must be a protagonist and an antagonist. From the beginning with God and Satan to the current world where one could use an example such as the Western world versus radical Islamic extremists. The same analogy works with board games such as backgammon or chess where you have light versus dark.
    In Lost, we have great forces striving for supremacy, forces which we haven’t got the required information to make a determination of which side is working for good and which is working for nefarious purposes. In many cases, there may not be a clear cut case of right and wrong; merely the perception of each side that they are striving for “the greater good”.
    Some things I think we can surmise, based on events portrayed through the series, is:
    • Both sides are willing to potentially do whatever they perceive is necessary to accomplish their, as yet, unknown goals.
    • The “dead” people who continually reappear are actually personas of the “smoke monster”
    • Both sides have light and dark tendencies
    • Until next season we shouldn’t assume Juliette or Jacob are dead
    • The “war” for the island is not new, our characters are just the current evolution of a continuing struggle by unknown forces
    • We will probably never have closure on all the mysteries that have been an intrinsic part of this epic series.
    One other thing that has caught my interest is the continual reference to the statue as the Egyptian goddess Taweret. While it may make sense to believe the statue is of her since she was a godess of fertility and she begat the child who was the diety of evil, it is clearly not Tawaret. The statue is obviously a depiction of the Egyptian god Sobek who was believed to be a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself.

    Thoughts?

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  36. I think because Desmond is "special" this means that he is not affected by the rule "whatever happens, happens". Therefore, when Danial knocks on the hatch door and told Desmond to find his mom, he actually changed the past. When he did that, Desmond remembered the event that had not previously existed.

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  37. Thanks this was a good recap.

    Has anyone thought about what Claire's involvement in all this is? What was she at the cabin? What did whoever the person/thing pretending to be Christian want/need with her?

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  38. Guys, come you can't expect it all to be given to you in one bite I like the way they go back and show that you weren't given it all in the first bite, and that there were other forces at work. remember the fun part is the journey following the mystery as it unravels. otherwise they might as well not had 5 seasons soon to be six, but instead put a press release saying a plane crashed but everyones ok and got home so don't bother tuning in cus we never made. If you catch my drift.....basically enjoy the journey as it's often more important than the destination bit like your life......

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  39. Liked the explanation of the Egyptian Gods/Goddesses. However what if there's 2 statues, one being Sobek (repairer of evil) where Jacob lives amd the other being Tawaret (fertility god/begatter of evil deity) where anti-Jacob lives, except it presumably got destroyed in the tsunami that will eventually sweep the Black Rock inland and wash away most of the Sobek statue, plus since then anti-Jacob's been forced to keep travelling round the island, ending up in Horace's ('Jacob's') cabin.

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  40. Ok so I haven't got it all worked out but work with me on these theories...

    The combination of Juliet/Jughead/Electromagnetism merge with the blast.

    Pregnancy problems start here in 1977 at the incident.

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  41. Not sure why you think "Some Like It Hoth" is the strangest LOST title ever. Do you not understand the double-reference? It is actually equal parts cool, clever, relevant and extremely telling about the content of the episode.

    Hoth is the ice planet featured in the opening scene of The Empire Strikes Back, which is the scene that Miles reads aloud from Hurley's script (despite Hurley changing the 'hero' of the scene in question from Han Solo to Chewbacca -- I've seen it written elsewhere that Hurley obviously has more of a connection to the burly comic sidekick character than the muscly hero, and this is clearly one of his supposed 'improvements' to the original).

    Some Like It Hot is both a song (not relevant as far as I can tell) and a classic comedy film starring a young Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis. It's a buddy-film-cum-road-trip-film of sorts, and the pair argues and can't really stand each other until they kinda learn to accept one another. I'm describing the movie, but these same words could be used to describe Hurley and Miles' interactions and relationship throughout the course of this episode.

    If you already knew all of this, I can't fathom why you think the title is so strange. If you didn't know it, then I'm glad to have helped explain the meaning behind the (quite clever) title.

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  42. @ BEVIS - I am a huge Star Wars fan, and I definitely knew all that :)

    But relating the title to "Some Like It Hot" just seems strange to me. I like the Star Wars references, but SLIH is just a strange title (not really a bad title).

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  43. Episode 4: "The Little Prince"
    The light from the hatch on this episode is not from the night that Locke was yelling at the island, that was a small white light.

    The big blue light which it shows on this episode is from when the hatch was on lockdown.

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  44. In 'The Constant', when he learns that Desmond's conciousness is time travelling, Daniel asks Jack, "Has your friend been exposed to electromagnetism OR radiation?" When this episode first aired we knew that Desmond had been exposed to the first when he turned the failsafe key ('Live Together, Die Alone'/'Flashes Before Your Eyes') but after watching 'The Incident' I infer that the two - the radiation from the nuke - got rolled up together at The Swan.

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  45. I thought this season was much better than season four, but Faraday's and then the rest of the Losties idea of detonating a nuclear bomb just seems phenominally stupid! Sure, the bomb would change the future, that chain of event I agree with. Bomb exploding = no hatch = no crash = Flight 825's passengers landing safely in America. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet and co. still die though. They get atomised! They won't suddely warp into different lives in America like Jack seems to think. Parallel versions of them would exist in those places, but all the main characters would die at the explosion! I'm sure this won't be the case though. My bet is that somehow all our main characters are thrown back to the present, maybe inhabiting their bodies on the day of the crash, with all their memories of the previous seasons intact.

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  46. I would be extremely disappointed with the program if the end result orbited around religion. Hopefully the creators of Lost will keep with the ambiguous dichotomy of faith versus science and let the audience gravitate towards whatever is closer to their views. Id rather leave it to viewers intellect to piece the remainder of the fragments together then have it spelt out and ultimately disappoint.

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  47. I would like to think that Jack et al. don't get atomized, though I do agree that they would live on in a parrell timeline where the flight landed as it was supposed to. I think they have been leading up to this the entire way along with Hurley.

    He has been able to see "dead" losties (Charlie, Ana Lucia) and has even physically ENGAGED with them (Charlie slaps Hurley while he is at the mental institution). I believe that Hurley has an ability to see beyond whatever timeline he is personally in, and see the "completed" timeline. Those who were on the island hold some memory of their time in the alternate timeline, and when Hurley sees them he is actually seeing the flight 815 survivors in their "real" lives.

    I other words, somehow the bomb accomplishes something in the grand scheme of the series. And Hurley already has experienced that.

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  48. ok so follow me with this one
    may the lock that has been walking around the island in the last season be/or have something to do with Jacks dad? A mix of some sort b/c of the fact that he is wearing jacks dad's shoes. Jacks dad was shown in the season before they returned but since then he has not appeared. Jacks dad also has a connection with Jacob (before we knew who jacob was - this might be motive for wanting him dead??) Jacks dad or his ghost appears in the hut, semi-in place of Jacob...
    so this was just my thought process let me know what you guys think or is all of this just wrong wrong wrong?

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  49. I think somehow or other, we're going to go back to that list the others made of the survivors: Jack, Kate, Sawyer & Hurley; that somehow those four characters have a profound destiny with the island.

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  50. Has anyone given any consideration to the question of what is in Hurley's guitar case? Jacob said the guitar didn't belong to him, so whose is it, or is it even a guitar? I think the most obvious answer is that Hurley will give the guitar back to Charley somehow. It seems the writers are setting up Hurley to have a huge role in the last season, since he was the only one that Jacob had a real conversation with, where he (Jacob) didn't hide the fact that he was associated with the island. Hurley is also the only person who Jacob talked to that he seemed to give a mission.

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  51. @ CBT's comment to me above:

    Fair enough! :)

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  52. I loved this season as well, but I have one question when it comes to Richard...
    Why would he allow Eloise, Jack and Sayid detonate the bomb??
    He's obviously been on the Island for some time now, so wouldn't he atleast try and stop them instead of HELPING them?!?
    I'm not sure I understand his motivations clearly enough just yet, and I really hope he explains his intentions next season.
    For that matter, why did Hawking make Daniel go to the Island in the first place?
    Obviously his death led her some place, presumabley after the Incedent, that had to happen again...?
    Perhaps that's some clue to the outcome of the Incedent next season...
    Ah well, thanks for listening!

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  53. I disagree with the person that said that Jacob's nemesis was introduced in the last episode as a late patch to fix something... In the very first episode of Lost, John Locke teachs Walt about backgammon game... he's talking about two forces, eternaly fighting... so, if we assume jacob is the light (the white pieces), then, this other character is the dark (the black pieces). It can be the other way around, too. The problem with Lost is this: you don't ever know who you are supposed to cheer for. It is what makes it such an amazing show.

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  54. I still don`t understand either what Jacob`s nemesis wants with Claire either. What could possibly make her choose to leave Aaron and go off with her dead dad/Jack`s Father. Was she even killed? I don`t think so so if she is alive, on the Island Where is she? In season four, remember she visited Kate in her home in LA and made her promise that she would never bring "him" back too the Island. did she mean lock or Aaron. Or was she also shape shifter/smoke monster/ Flock?

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  55. I am still wondering, is Juliet dead or not?? Juliet should have been killed by the blast, but im not sure about Jack and co.
    And what about Jacob? Lost has been building up the character of Jacob since series 3 now and on his first appearance he dies! But what did his last words mean "they're coming" or something like that. Could he possibly mean Jack and co.?

    very confusing

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  56. I'm wondering if Jack is perhaps Jacob reincarnated. When Jacob burned and presumably died, the very next scene was back in 1977 at the Swan, and Jack springing up after being knocked out and helping out Kate and Sawyer. I believe the bomb does go off or at least sends the '77 Losties to the present time, and "Jack and Locke" reassume their rivalry. This whole show is one elaborate chess match, where Jacob is a few moves ahead of his nemesis

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  57. I'm confused about something. Isn't season 6 gonna have Locke and Jack "go at it" sometime? And why would Flocke do that with Jack?

    And I'm also confused about the whole Flocke idea. Can someone explain to me where this "fake Locke" started?? :)

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  58. Season ending flash:
    Is it merely the atomic blast? or as the game-changing blast occurs, do our heros experience another "time-flash"?

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  59. My first time here and you folks are fascinating with your theories and questions. Excellent. A couple of observations to pass along:
    Jacob's Nemesis whom I call 'Blackshirt" til we get a name from the writers has been around since the beginning of the show. I too am sure he and the Smoke Monster are one and the same. Or at the least Smokey is an aspect of Blackshirt. And by extension Yemi, Christian, Alex, medusa spiders and others. So in a sense Blackshirt has been around since the beginning, heck even longer than references to Jacob. I also believe Claire died from injuries after her house was blown up by Keamy's boys. Not right away but right before she disaappeared with Christian, uncharacteristically leaving Aaron behind. However Claire and Charlie I think are aspects of Jacob hence their warnings to Jack and Kate. Charlie told Jack he wasn't meant to raise and Claire told Kate not to bring him back. We're left to think they're talking about Aaron but in reality its Locke, or Locke's body. This also leads to why Richard wanted the bodies of his people killed by Sawyer back. Dead people left lying around on the island tend to turn up again thanks to Smokey/Blackshirt. The one glimpse we had of an Other funeral ritual was Bea's way back in Season 3. Was her body not set adrift on a boat and burned? As to why Claire is hanging with Christian I haven't figured that out. Maybe Blackshirt is unaware of her Jacob connection? She's a spy so-to-speak? Sorry for the length but sometimes one can go on and on about this show. You guys rock!

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  60. Thinking back to when Richard said that he had 'watched' all the people in the photograph 'die', I reckon S6 will start with....
    Juliet falls down the hole, back at the surface Richard Alpert watches from the jungle as the metal crashes towards the hole, cars are overturned etc. Then Minkowski and his goons open fire on Jack, Sawyer, Kate etc. Just as they all die, juliet 'explodes' the bomb which - rather than creating a huge explosion - neutralises the electro-magnetic field and somehow creating the 'flash' which sends the main cast back to present day, thus making their bodies disappear in front of Richards eyes. We don't see the 70s again, other than to realise that the new underground force created by the exploision has to be contained by building the hatch etc etc.
    The John Locke thing is less predictable. I agree with the anti-Jacob is Smokey is Locke but is the anti-Jacob also Widmore? and is Aarron the equivalent to the second coming? Or the Devil? I think whatever happens, the final season will have Jack and the gang eventually having a showdown with Locke, and will finish with them all deciding to stay on the island, under Jacks leadership of 'the others'.

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