As regular readers know, we normally try for an epic deconstruction post that pins together a few facts into a solid theory. Considering the "Widmore faked the underwater plane wreck" post being vindicated the other week, I'm reluctant to do another post until I have a theory of equal juiciness. Also this week saw some mythological slim pickings for an deconstruction, apart from Richard and his advisory role or Locke wanting to kill Jacob of course (I'll do some further research and see if I can string together coherent arguments on these topics early next week). So for today, we're gonna stick with the Jughead part of the narrative, and also analyze how Jack is suddenly willing to blow everyone up, ending with some finale theories (sans spoilers, of course!)Let's start with a bit of pointless real-world Jughead trivia as a sidebar. This isn't necessarily relevant to the Lost plot, but during research when I helped make the wiki article for the bomb, some stuff stood out as quite interesting. "Jughead" was the code name for a REAL nuclear device in the 1950's, part of Operation Castle which was a series of US nuclear tests being conducted in the Pacific. Jughead itself was part of Castle Yankee, and was a back-up device to be used if the primary one in Castle Bravo failed. Castle Bravo was successful though, and from what we can gather Jughead would have been withdrawn and dismantled like other test devices in its class. Pretty interesting, and it's quite cool how the writers have seemingly used something from real history in a way (whether deliberate or accidental).
Now getting to the real questions about Jughead - how did it get underground? And, more pressingly, when Dan said "yeah bury it!" I don't think he meant "meh, just stick it underground somewhere with lots of space". I also loved how they failed to grasp the basic notion that a bomb should really be handled with care - they probably didn't even fill it with concrete like they were told... in which case, the torches were a nice touch around a hydrogen bomb. Beginning to think Eloise's incompetency is a pattern...
But will it get detonated, or will whatever already happened happen? And why has Jack suddenly gone genocidal? One can understand his logic to an extent, erasing the misery the island has caused for him and his friends. But at the same time, secrets the characters had will not be exposed, like Jack having a sister, learning more about his own father. Psychological breakthroughs the guys have had will not be made. And also he'll be killing off all the Others, and everyone else who otherwise may have lived on the Island beyond "their present" (poorly expressed, sorry - I meant Jack is saving Flight 815, but killing everyone else on the Island). What has suddenly convinced him that this is the right strategy? Can Locke's intervention have had THAT much of an impact on him? Would the Island really send them back to the 70's to destroy the Island? The last point for me clinches it - Jack has officially lost the plot... and I have an image in my mind of the Monster charging down that tunnel to finish what it should have done in the Pilot episode, if you know your Season 1 trivia ;)
Final point: any theories on what the elusive end scene this season will be? It's been codenamed "the fork in the outlet" - I'm currently envisioning the Monster coming out of the vent, or a scene like where Desmond turned the failsafe key and causing all hell to break loose. What say you, dear Lost fans? N.B. When commenting: NO SPOILERS!
Can anyone tell me why the writers hate Jack so much? From the start of season 2 he has had no character "arc" just gone straight downhill.
ReplyDeleteI thought this "new Jack" was going to be the start of his upward trend, but nope, the writers can't let that happen.
Let's have Jack be the bad guy again.
LOST is my favorite show, but the writers are seriously irritating me with Jack's character.
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I'm trying to figure out what the "big reveal" next week is going to be and I can only come up with 2 things...one of which I don't think will happen.
1. Jacob will be revealed to be someone we already know (Jack, Aaron, Desmond, etc...)
2. History will be changed and 815 will land instead of crashing on the island.
I don't think #2 will happen for one reason: whatever happened happened. Yeah, yeah Daniel said they could change things...blah. He was nuts at the time and made Jack nuts too. Everything that has happened in the 70's has reaffirmed the idea: whatever happened happened.
Oh and I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think Juliet is going to die. I think that because her death will kick Sawyer's arc onto its final course. Just a thought. :)
I hope the whole story doesn't end up being one big self-referencial plot.
ReplyDeleteThe whole "the last scene is the first scene with Jack" idea is crap to me.
They are already going down this road somewhat with the whole time travel thing this season. I like it, but unless it has some real bearing on the "end game" it will have just been a season long flash-back to show us what Dharma was like and what the Incident was.
I have never been a "I want answers" guy, but I really thought we were going to get some info about how dharma got to the Island and why they are really there.
Who are the Degroots and where does Alvar Hanso fit in? Especially since Daniel spent 3 years right there at HQ...but nope Daniel spouts some craziness and then get plugged.
I'm content to wait...but if the origin of Dharma/numbers/etc doesn't have anything to do with the end-game...I'll be annoyed.
I think Jack's view is that detonating the bomb will prevent everything from happening, INCLUDING the detonating of the bomb! That is, by changing the past and creating a situation where Oceanic 815 would not have crashed on the island, the entire branch of space-time that results from that event will be obliterated. So not only will 815 not crash, but nobody will travel to the seventies to detonate the bomb. I still think Jack's acting crazier than his character should, and I am pretty disappointed. But he is at least doing something that he believes will undo all the death and pain that have happened so far.
ReplyDeleteDaniel is right. WHH. Jack and CO. will detonate the bomb, but it will merely be the catalyst for The Incident...it will be the cause of it. Dharma will go on and finally put the device in concrete, Radzinsky will finish the Swan station and go crazy there, and, in 2004, flight 815 will crash on the island. ETC., etc. WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED!!
ReplyDeleteI doubt Jack wants to "blow up the island" and "go genocidal". Daniel said that he can negate the electromagnetic energy by detonating the hydrogen bomb, but I don't think he meant destroy the island?? I don't know it just felt like Daniel had a more solid plan that we didn't know, so Jack will follow the journal hoping it is enough.
ReplyDeleteAnon #1 I agree completely- not sure just what the heck they think they're doing with Jack but enough! Get that character back in gear, please!!!
ReplyDeleteI blame it on the need to wrap things up in a set number of seasons/episodes. But that's just my take.
When you think about it, a character like Dan could have been worked through a series more slowly if there were not a set end point- and he wouldn't have overwhelmed the main characters as he, let's admit it, did. The Oceanic 6 (5?) have been way less than interesting quite a bit of the time lately.
I think the Incident, whether it's Dharma releasing energy or Jughead going off or both, will propel the Losties back to 2007.
I have read, and I have to admit I hope it's true, that the time travel will be done. I've actually enjoyed this season a lot and thought they did a great job with it, but again-- ENOUGH!
Hey since when is Jack a "bad guy?" I know that a lot of people don't like him, but I always thought that Locke was the bad guy the first couple of seasons. I guess it just depends on you preference, huh?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I was very intrigued by this last episode. Towards the beginning of it I started to formulate a theory that will absolutely bust the show wide open. And then when Locke announced that he was going to kill Jacob, it pretty much was the icing on the cake for me. Here is what I am thinking:
For a while now we have all heard that a war is coming, and that people have been taking sides. There have been a lot of people who think that the war is between Dharma or the Others, or even Widmore and Ben. But this episode convinved me that the war is actually between Jacob and some other person or force on the island that has yet to be named. So far the will of the island and the will of Jacob have always been grouped together, as if they were the same. I think that they are actually different. I don't know who the other main person opposite of Jacob in this war is, but I have a feeling that it will soon be revealed. It could even be good ol' smokey. Especially with all of the theorizing about the egyptian mythology on the island. Since Smokey seems to represent Anubis, then could Jacob represent another Egyptian diety that is in opposition to him? I don't know Egyptology well enough to make a call like that.
Anyway, I think that Locke is working for the non-Jacob side of things. For how long I don't know. But what really clues me off is the fact that he has manipulated himself into a position of trust with the Others, who are on Jacob's side. Think about it for a minute. Locke has been living a self fulfilling prophecy. Locke went back in time and told Richard Alpert that he was to be there leader some day and that he should check Locke out when he is born, basically setting himself up to be their leader. Then he goes forward and manipulates Richard into having him leave the island and recruit everyone.
This are just a couple of examples that I could come up with at first. When you look back at the series, there are many many more. Plus Richard noticed that something had changed in him and that he was going to be trouble. Call me crazy, but this is what I think may happen. Any thoughts?
I think it will be revealed that..wait for it.......Claire is Jacob. It is the most outrageous thing I can think of. Also the best thing about "Lost" and what I love about it, is that it is the most unpredictable series in the history of TV. Cheers to the writers. I'm so looking forward to the finale.
ReplyDeleteLance, I feel the same way with a slight modification. I think that the War is between Jacob v. the Island. I feel that Jacob is some kind of demonic parasite that the Island wants to destroy.
ReplyDeleteThe smoke monster is the Island's normal defense mechanism (either naturally occurring or made by the Egyptians). The white ash could be Jacob's own version of the Dharma "sonar fence" that keeps the smoke monster out of his safety zone. The Island could be using Locke to penetrate into the circle of white ash, because the smoke monster cannot do so.
Locke's body is embalmed - the Island or something else has clearly commandeered him (but as indicated by the smoke monster's statement to Ben in the form of Alex, Locke still seems to be vulnerable). Maybe Locke's newly found purpose is to "course correct" the Island's plight from Jacob's spell/powers.
(2) Richard Alpert:
It could be that Alpert is being kept alive by Jacob, in order to ensure that everyone stays in-line with Jacob's desires. But I did find it very interesting that Alpert quickly and purposefully stood in front of Eloise when Sayid had a gun pointed at her back in 1977. It could be that Alpert was just being a gentleman. But, his "adviser" role definitely limits some of the things he can do - he somehow circumvents those restrictions by pulling certain strings to make sure the status quo remains intact.
If Alpert is dead and being kept alive, that may explain why he cannot be a leader of the living. Locke's leadership role would not necessarily contradict this, because Locke has not really "lead" the Others - he actually seems to be democratizing the group and letting them make up their own minds. The only time I felt Alpert was truly disturbed was when he found out Locke had died.
hmm one thing popped into my head when i heard that they had burried the bomb under the village, could this be the reason why the babies cant survive on the island, (i am thinking that the babies/mothers spend more time in the village when they are pregnant) maybe radiation or something (i dont know how those bombs work) could affect the little ones? just a theory.
ReplyDeleteRichard: "I can see John Locke being Trouble"
ReplyDeleteBen: "Why do you think I tried to kill him?"
This brief exhange of words has troubled me more than anything else in this episode. If Ben truly wanted Locke dead and out of the picture, then why did he make the arrangements for his body to be returned to the Island.
Oh..and the compass paradox is really freaking me out!
If anyone has any thoughts on either of these two tings, pleas help me out!
Just to explain that last thought to anyone who hasn't clocked it...
ReplyDeleteJohn gives the compass to Richard in 1954 who then returns the compass to Locke in 2007 to give to back Richard in 1954 who then returns the compass to Locke in 2007 to give back to Richard in 1954 who then....well, you get it!
The compass does not exist, and never has existed outside of this paraoxical circumstance - no one owned it first and it could never have been built!
This is either the result of over-ambition, resulting in gross stupidy by the writers or a brilliant masterstroke designed to give us a peek into the true nature of the island.
For instance, perhaps the Island itself is the result of some sort of time paradox - a kind of 'error' in the space time continuum that can only be corrected via a set a very specific set of events?
Again though, i'm not going to rule out gross stupidy quite yet...
First off, I'd like to say that your historical reference to a real Jughead is quite interesting. To me it is not pointless to mention because some of the things that have attracted me to this show are the historical, scientific and literary references made by the characters. I like how they may bring something up, which then causes me to investigate what they were referencing.
ReplyDeleteSecond, the whole "radiation from Jughead is killing the babies" theory seems less likely because I believe the Others would have caught on to the problem. "Remember when we detonated (or buried) that hydrogen bomb under the DI camp? Oh yeah, probably not a good idea to live there then." I imagine that would have been the conversation. Also, it doesn't explain how Ethan was born there, unless you want to say that he is also "special".
I think the problem with births is tied to the incident. Juliet has said "I think it happens at conception." We have seen conception on the island result in successful births before the incident. It didn't happen again until Jin and Sun. After Desmond turned the key. I don't think it has to do with radiation.
ReplyDeleteI also was wondering about the compass. I like the theory also. As far as people having torches, gunfire, etc around Jughead, these things are not capable of detonating the device. Its not like a stick of dynamite. A fission nuke requires a precise high explosive charge to start the reaction, and it wont work unless it is properly armed. An unarmed nuke hits the ground and makes a dirty hole. A hydrogen bomb is detonated by a smaller fission nuke. So no need to worry about torches, eh?
ReplyDeleteI think you guys make a mistake by saying "Why don't the writers make Jack the way I want him?" This is a silly way of analyzing a story.
ReplyDeleteInstead we should look at everything that has happened to Jack and ask the question: Does what has happened to him explain who he has become? I think the answer here is clearly YES.
This is a man who has seen and experienced impossible things. Smoke monsters. Dead people walking and talking. A disappearing island. Time travel for Pete's sake!
Further more this is a man who has been responsible for keeping a ragtag group of people alive. A man who has been forced to face violence, torture, imprisonment. A man who has lost those under his command. A man who has made a promise (that he would get everyone off the island) that he could not keep.
It's not about making him the bad guy. It's about showing who he has become BECAUSE of the things that have happened to him.
And frankly I'd point out that at his core this IS the same person. His motivation here is to help the people who were on that plane. His motivation is to save all the lives that have been lost, many of them lives that he feels responsible for losing.
Is it crazy? Yeah. It probably is. But surely we can't expect him to have remained perfectly stable after everything that has happened to him.
Jack is Jacob
ReplyDeleteIn one episode john enter the cabin to talk to Jacob but sees christian and Claire in the cabin instead. They are both related to jack. Christian says he is not Jacob. We have seen no one else inside the cabin but Claire, Christian, and Jacob.
Also The writers said their are clues throughout the series well If you look that the pilot episode the first scene is a close up of Jacks eye Where is change color at one point it looks just like Jacobs eye when they showed it close up. This is the catalysis that turn jack into Jacob tust me its going to happen..
I say Jack is going to bite the big one in the finale or season premiere. Way back Cuse and Lindelof said ABC execs would know the series was going to end when major characters would start to get bumped off. Somebody aint going to make it much further. Just saying is all
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to the "spiritual" and special naming side (Jacob, Ben, on and on) to this story? John Locke's name is a very important person to the world in our US history (see the first thoughts of a constitution). He is leading the democratic movement......I just hope he is the "good" guy. Ben seemed to be possesed by a demon angel if ever I saw one....HE is possesed!!. What about Atlantis, ot is still missing, and the Arc of the convenent (it is "LOST" and very powerful). What about redemption, and becoming NOT "lost" as the island seems to do for some brought there for some mission or destiny. I hope they all find the best in themselves working together to do the right thing, sorry to bust up the wishs of people who like books that shock people with evil events obviously inspired by the the worst angel. Maybe Jack turns out to be someone better than just a "leader" that we all need or some clown telling us what to do and think (DC). The world has more power in it than some bomb or ALL of the bombs. They(we)just need to have "faith" and not destroy ourselves with our free will, the island may be the heart of the Earth.
ReplyDeleteI listened to the leaked podcast recently and Darlton confirmed that the Compass Paradox is intentional. Though not mentioning quite how it all works they did say something to the effect that it is representative of the show's nature, of the shape of things to come.
ReplyDeleteSomeone mentioned this earlier in this blog, and I'd like to reiterate the idea. Perhaps the compass if the first glimpse of what the whole show is, perhaps the goings on the Island have no origin (seemingly like the Others) and they are a continuous loop which effects itself, one massively intricate compass paradox.
Personally I don't like this idea, but I don't know it sounds something that would happen in Lost.
The compass paradox may be an illustration of someone one can do with time travel. In other words, time travel does not only allow someone to move back and forth through time, but it also allows them to create objects (like the compass) that wouldn't otherwise exist. Another point on the compass...when Richard visited 6-year old Locke and asked him to pick which items he already owned, I believe the compass was one of the items.
ReplyDeleteI like the theory about the hydrogen bomb causing the pregnancy problems. If the bomb is detonated on the island, that might be the reason why births are unsuccessful. The incident or the bomb will cause the pregnancy problems, and I'm sure we'll find out why in the finale.
Someone mentioned this earlier in this blog, and I'd like to reiterate the idea. Perhaps the compass if the first glimpse of what the whole show is, perhaps the goings on the Island have no origin (seemingly like the Others) and they are a continuous loop which effects itself, one massively intricate compass paradox.
ReplyDeletePersonally I don't like this idea, but I don't know it sounds something that would happen in Lost.I listened to the podcast as well and DC seemed to imply (in my opinion) that they weren't going to answer the compass paradox, but that it was on purpose and that it was indicative of the "mystery" of the island.
I'm cool with the "mystery". I don't need everything spelled out in harsh detail...things tend to look silly in the light of day.
BUT, I agree that I hope this isn't some sort of nod toward where the show is headed...namely that everything is in some sort of unending cycle (ala certain Stephen King books).
I find those types of endings fairly unsatisfying. It always feels like a cheat for the writers because they don't actually have to END anything, it just loops back around on itself and starts over.
That being said maybe DC can pull it off.
Ax- It's not unreasonable for fans to state when they think they see a flaw in the writing/plot/pacing, etc...
ReplyDeleteAs much as I love this show, I think the push to do a lot in a prescribed amount of time has led to some big concessions -- and I think the Jack character has suffered for it quite a bit this season. He's never been less interesting. Not a development one would have seen coming even a season ago.
I think Jack has been boring since Ben has come along. The show has grow bigger than him in the past few seasons. He may reclaim his position. Maybe that's why he has decided to do something so drastic as to blow up Jughead. We shall see soon...
ReplyDeleteLet's all remember something. The DI folk never had trouble having babies ever. There are always lot of children around the Barracks in every scene not to mention a playground set. Ethan definetely was born on the Island with his Mommy getting pregnant on the Island.
ReplyDeleteFact: only the Others have baby problems and that is why Juliet was recruited. The DI folk were dead and gone with the exception of Ben, Ethan and probably some other recruits.
The DI folk aren't infertile. The folk having trouble is the Others only. Think back to any scenes of the others when they are out in the jungle camping or living in the Barracks after they killed the DI folk. No babies no children, nothing.
Other than young adults such as Alex who wasn't born of the Others and Karl, there aren't any really young people in the Others right?
Ellie is pregnant on the Island but she obviously had Daniel off Island and saved her life and his.
Again the only people who got pregnant and had babies were the DI and they were wiped out in the Purge.
I think that the detonation of the bomb would be premature, especially with a full season's worth of episodes to go. But how bout this?
ReplyDeleteThe "Incident" that Faraday predicts will happen *will* happen (it's the title of the episode, after all) - an electromagnetic-related catastrophe that will wipe out Dharma (or whoever's left from Dharma). We know that the turning of the wheel by Ben and then Locke resulted in Jin, Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, Miles, Faraday (RIP), Charlotte (RIP) "jumping" thru time on the island. We know that Jack, Kate, Hurley all "jumped" from present day to 1977 during the second crash onto the island. So isn't it possible that any major electromagnetic incident would cause some or all of them to jump again, a la what happened to Desmond when he turned the failsafe key? Perhaps to present day to meet up with Locke and the gang, or somewhere else - potentially on or even *off* the island.
As for the bomb..."do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?" The bomb? At this point, at least, we can assume that the bomb still exists on the island in 2007 and is still the biggest threat to the island's (Jacob's?) annihilation.
All this said, this *is* the season finale, and I would expect at least one major death. My candidates would include Juliet, Miles (anyone who showed up after the first season is likely 'excess baggage', no pun intended), and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben (I figure he'll play a pivotal role in the finale) or even Sawyer (we know that LaFleur jacket is in the mass grave...could it be there as the result of the Incident rather than the Ben-related wipeout?) kick off.
If any of this holds true, this sets the stage for the Hatch, Radzinky's suicide (guilt over the Incident?), Desmond's return - and a whole new season of brain-numbing insanity.
And if I'm wrong, then, well...
God help us all.
The DI DID have trouble with birthing on the Island. In the epi when Ethan was born, someone (cannot remember if it was Chang or Horace) said, We always take our women to shore to give birth. Babies aren't usually BORN on the Island because they don't have the equipment for that. That's why there was such a panic when Ethan was born early.
ReplyDeletehmmmm.... what if Locke is Jacob? that would definitely be a brain****.
ReplyDeleteI brought up the compass paradox as I thought that there was a slight chance that it was an unintentional oversight. So thanks to the subsequent comments about the thoughts of the writers as this has now cemented my thinking that this may be more of an insight into the paradoxical circumstances that may drive the entire plot.
ReplyDeleteI for one am not worried by the idea that this is where the show may be heading - as no doubt characters such as Desmond, Locke, Jack and Ben will be critical in order for the show to reach a satisfying conclusion - and at the end of the day, the brilliance of Lost is most epitomised in the intricacies of its lead characters. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Hurley will play a big part in what is to come - he hasn't really featured in the many theories and ideas that I have read on this blog - and in my opinion, in the eyes of the writers that would make him an ideal candidate for another LOST bomshell moment!
Bring it on.....
THE WAR - SCIENCE vs FAITH
THE WAR - COURSE INTERVENTION vs FATE
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ReplyDeleteTo Joyce in response to: "Again the only people who got pregnant and had babies were the DI and they were wiped out in the Purge.?"Remember that Ellie was young on the island. There were lots of young adults among the Others when we first saw them during those time travel periods. The pregnancy problems could have roots in the Incident, and the electromagnetism effected the ability for women to carry children.
ReplyDelete"I think that the War is between Jacob v. the Island. I feel that Jacob is some kind of demonic parasite that the Island wants to destroy."I also believe that the Island and Jacob are separate entities. At first, I don't think the viewers could distinguish the two, but now I think it's clear. I don't believe Locke is being controlled by the island, however. I think he's being led. I think I was able to figure out that Jacob and the Island are different when Locke decided to take the field trip to see Jacob in the last episode. For what purpose? Most of us already know.
ReplyDeleteJack seems intent on preventing the plane crash, as does Sayyid. The problem is, Jack and perhaps Sayyid are the only people who felt they would have benefitted from NOT crashing. Kate was screwed, Sawyer was screwed, before crash landing on the Island. It was a new beginning for many of them, a cure.
We have already seen Jacob, and he is not one of the people we already know. I don't believe he will be. I think it will be a new person altogether.
What I am anxious to learn more about is Claire's disappearance! What ever happened to her? Is she with Jacob? I am dying to know.
Hopefully the next season is more of a learning season, and I hope it's a long one as well. They have a lot to do in just one season. This one went too slow, we didn't learn enough.
You know, I've liked LOST as much as anybody but the producers via their writers have just gone loopy this season.
ReplyDeleteFirst, the time travel plot mechanism is confusing and just plain disorienting to viewers. Second, the "let's blow up the hydrogen bomb" thing. Seriously, the writing is such that our Lostaways are discussing this as if it's a couple sticks of dynamite. It's a freakin' HYDROGEN BOMB with the explosive potential to fully obliterate the island! Oh and it's leaking so its entire functionality might be compromised. Oh and you just don't set it and run. There are so many activation sequences and codes that have to be known and precisely triggered for a nuclear weapon that it's just a ridiculous proposition to even posit this as a storyline. They've all just lost so much credibility.
Yes, it's a fictional story, blah blah blah. But it's been a fairly plausible mystery-drama till this loopy season hit us and now we're all faced with a bunch of stupid, half-assed scifi hokum to finish out the series.
Jeez, just end it now and spinoff a comedy series featuring Hugo and his dad Cheech. ;-)
For some reason, I'm not as bothered by the idea of detonating the hydrogen bomb as some people are. After all, the result of the leak, according to Daniel, would be catastrophic. I can see the two energies, the bomb and the electromagentic energy, cancelling themselves out if they occur at the same time. It may not make much sense scientifically, but hey, it's hollywood science, right?
ReplyDeleteactually very good point above..
ReplyDeleteIn the Orchid Orientation video Chang tells us the energy the Island possesses is 'negatively charged exotic energy', which means it could cancel out any actual 'positive' energy the hydrogen bomb creates, and vice versa..
We'll see :D
no friggin way! insane! this doesn't make sense. Farraday traveled to 1977 to stop the "incident" from ever happening by detonating an H-Bomb. I just read a spoiler saying the incident IS the H-Bomb and Jack is going to go through with it! Jesus Christ! The finale ends with the original Losties sitting on flight 716 and continues on route to LA! now the question, what will they come up with next season? hmmm....
ReplyDeleteWandering Daughter that has occurred to me also. Actually Ellie would have been 37 and Widmore looks mid to late 40's when its revealed by the tummy rub that she is pregnant.
ReplyDeleteI keep thinking there is a reason why the Others are always shown without any children around and in fact Ben steals himself a newborn. DI probably has gotten trouble from the Island and baby having. I forgot about the remark about all babies born off island.
I am also freaked out about the casual way the characters are about the H bomb.
ReplyDeleteGiven the Others age range and the fact they killed a whole bunch of Army guys cause they wanted to detonate that bomb on their island..it's hard to believe how happy go lucky Richard Alpert and Ellie are about taking a nut (Jack) who is gabbling about blowing that sucker up to fetch it. Like everyone in that age range (me included) a nuclear bomb was the worst case something the world had ever seen. It just don't make a bit of sense even in the context of fiction and the story line so far.
I surely hope the writers know what the heck they are leading us to. Revealing that bomb with a swosh of the covering like a magician's trick was not very good.
My 2 cents: WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED!... By sending her son back to the past and sacrificing him, Eloise ensures consistency in event/time line; she ensures that what happened, happened. Another thing, when Eloise meets Peg in the hospital she says "This is the first time in a long time when I do not know what will happen". I suspect, this must be the key to Whitmore's economic success. Somehow, she and Whitmore (and possibly other "others") must be time traveling too. Knowing economic development in advance (even just days) gives one huge advantage when playing the stock market, for example (as realized by Sawyer when he was boarding the sub).
ReplyDeleteIs what happened happening, though? I had assumed so with the way everything has been working out the way it 'should' (e.g. young Ben surviving being shot --> becoming an Other etc.), but the fact that adult Ben tells Sun that he had no idea Jack et al were ever DI makes me think otherwise.
ReplyDeleteIf whatever happened happened, wouldn't adult Ben have known that they dudes were DI at one point? I know the healing erased his memory, but surely with all the DI/Other interaction going on, he would have met Jack and Co. I don't think he would have any reason to lie to Sun about not knowing, either.
Any thoughts?
You can't believe anything Ben says, and therefore you can't use it to back up many theories.
ReplyDeleteLook to Richard Alpert instead of Ben. When shown the picture of the DI, he said he remembered Jack and the others and that he watched them "die".
So whatever happened DID happen. They were always in the past, Jack always tried to set off the nuke, and Richard always watched them "die" (which I think means he watched them time skip back to 2007.
As was said You can't believe anything Ben says, and therefore you can't use it to back up many theories.On top of that, little Ben is nowhere to be seen. Probably he is healing somewhere with the others, which would preclude him from seeing Jack & the gang before the blast. On top of that Ben has no recollection of what happened to him before he was healed in the temple, therefore he has no real recollection of interacting with Sayid and there was never any indication of little Ben interacting with the losties who joined Dharma first (Sawyer, etc.)
ReplyDeleteI agree about Jack. In season one he was one of my favorite characters, than once the otehrs captured him, he has become less and less likeable. I've been waiting for something big to happen and the old Jack to come back and save the day. It seems like Jack and Sawyer have had a real character switch.
ReplyDeleteJack has become irrational and just a jerk. I hope next season he comes out less jaded.
Jack is Man!!! The choice is his. Living in Eden or knowledge/progress - this is the story of Man. Perhaps it is all cyclic after all.
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